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I know juggling knives is dangerous but have never done it. Mac is irrelevant. Breaking news,, He was NOT Cooper.. Objectively, a competent military guy with aviation and jump experience does not require more than 12 days.. Do you think Braden would need more than 12 days? I am not arguing Cooper did plan it in 12 days, I am arguing he could have. Cini was not the starting point. I have ruled it out. The argument to reject Cini as inspiration because 12 days is too short to plan is just bogus.. You don't need to have hijacked and jumped from a plane to figure that out.
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Iran: Weeks away from a functioning warhead since 1995.
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I gave a real life example. You have given an opinion on something you’ve never done. For the record, I don’t rule out Cini as the starting point but there are issues and counter examples. I don’t just ignore those.
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I said objectively,, there is no reason for it to take more than the 12 days.. You have made up a nonsense argument to fit your opinion. The difference is you are claiming he couldn't plan it in 12 days.. I am saying there is nothing to show that he couldn't.
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I surely would not presume to defend all US interventions, Iraq being an example. However, ignoring a clear and present danger like Iran, probably the current leading sponsor of terror worldwide, with them being so close to obtaining a deliverable nuclear weapon is a horrible idea. The posture of isolationism isn’t the only reason, but contributed in no small part to our entry into World War 2, a late entry which came extremely close to us losing it all. Israel won’t get a second chance.
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There is no evidence it could be put together in 11 days. That’s the post hoc rationale you mentioned. It’s just assuming Cini is the root cause and working in reverse. It’s 11 days because from that perspective it has to be. The criminal copycats show it takes longer, with a better example (Cooper) as a starting point. I’ve been reading up on bank robberies…it takes time to be successful. You have to scout and plan and prepare and generally you aren’t robbing in your neighborhood so there’s distance and transportation, blah blah. These guys also have to live during this phase and deal with all the normal life stuff on top. Anyone that has done project management for a living knows everything takes longer than wanted/anticipated. Think about it like this, would you rush a crime that could put you in a cage for life? Of course not. You’d plan it out till you were confident. That’s what successful bank robbers tend to do. It’s the PTSD guys who fly off the handle and rush it.
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Aren't You Glad You Voted For Trump
JerryBaumchen replied to JerryBaumchen's topic in Speakers Corner
Hi Phil, Sounds like a plan. Wonder if it will work. Jerry Baumchen - Today
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The primary goal of a suspect sketch is to generate leads... it is not specific enough alone to eliminate suspects. The FBI wanted to get better leads as they were wasting time on the poor leads generated by sketch A. That is why they did sketch B.
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Mac had no aviation or parachuting experience,, A competent military guy with aviation and some parachute experience could pull it together.. Mac was not that guy.. using him as an argument is just bogus. It is even easier from a distance to reject it based on irrelevant arguments. I see no reason to believe it had to take more than 12 days to plan.. I also know for a fact that others had the idea before Cini..
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Mac had military experience too. Mac is the best example we have of how a criminal mind would approach a parajacking. If you want to get away it takes time to prepare. It’s easy from a distance say it could be pulled off in 11 days. If you were looking at spending decades in a cage if you get it wrong…yeah…not the same.
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Cooper had military and some jump experience, he could have planned it within days. Mac is not a good example. As for PTSD, there is nothing to show one way or another if Cooper had it.
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Highjacking a plane for money can be thought about as an extension of train robbing from the century before. Once on the train and it’s moving there’s only two options…stop the train or jump from a moving train. Well…you can’t stop a jet in mid flight. What’s left? The more I get into this case the more amazed I am it took that long for someone to do this.
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I posted on this topic at Reddit recently (Whose Idea…). There’s evidence to the contrary of your view that nothing here requires more than 11 days. The Cooper copycats come mainly in the criminal and active PTSD varieties. Other skyjackers were largely ideological (Cuba). Mac is a great criminal example. Mac wasn’t a startup criminal, he had experience. While he wasn’t an FBI top ten type he was a legit criminal. Look at how long it took him to put together his parajacking…and that’s with Cooper as a model. The idea Cooper could put it all together in 11 days start to finish is not supported by this example. And Cooper doesn’t seem to fit with the PTSD group. As for two people coming up with the idea simultaneously…there’s evidence we have that several people were bumping up against this idea before and right around Cini. As soon as the thought turns from ideology to money an escape plan is required and a parachute is obvious. I’d bet there were probably thousands and thousands of people who read a paper and had a thought like this. It’s not solving some hundred year old math problem professors have gone to the grave having never figured out. It’s fairly obvious. Hell, once you view it as a robbery it’s really the only answer.
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Oh hell no. I briefly tuned into FOX this morning. The answer is in president Trump spending day and night in prayer. For all Texans and Americans praying for all involved.
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I imagine Texan MAGAs may regret defunding and layoffs at the NWS and NOAA.
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Agree The propensity of democrats to shoot themselves in the feet. Is equally matched by republican extremism.
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Perhaps he intends the America Party to be the sole political party on Mars? Either way his organizational skills, use of "X", cash and conservative values. Could siphon off an easy 20% of conservative votes. Which would result in the decimation of the republican majorities.
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Objectively, it could be planned within 12 days but there is no evidence for a connection.. and unlikely a copycat would pull it off so close in time and geography. I have evidence that it was being discussed in Vietnam in the late 60's.. I am sure others had the idea as well... before Cini. Combining parachuting with hijacking is a natural progression. The news was not as ubiquitous as today, some Cini articles didn't even mention a parachute others barely did. Later articles emphasized the parachute more. If a drunk Cini could figure it out... many could have.
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Any and all of which will get trumped if the hapless Democrats front a black female with a ready giggle against an autocratic narcissist without an iota of competence. Of course, as ever, lemming like Republicans will moo their way to the cliffs edge to avoid not voting for their man. Or vote third party, we do have our choices.
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Nope.
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singing in the dead of night
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It’s not something we can know. But nothing about Cooper’s heist required more than a week to plan. The idea that two men were simultaneously coming up with a similar heist at the same time that had never before been attempted seems improbable. Not totally inconceivable or anything, but just seems unlikely.
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Morning, Nigel. It's already being done with the Independent Party. https://news.gallup.com/poll/548459/independent-party-tied-high-democratic-new-low.aspx He should have stuck to building the future and stayed out of politics. I fear he will wind up on the Howard Hughes path.
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If you are referring to Joseph Henry Johnston or the Elsinor Ghost, it is uncertain if they ever put it all together with "ransom"... and Cooper couldn't easily read about them in a newspaper, like Cini. Cooper's main contribution to the idea was to choose a better plane than Paul Joseph Cini. Instead of standing on the shoulders of giants before him, Cooper saw past the stumbling bungler who failed. Unsure what is so hard to believe about that.
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