kallend 2,106 #51 October 31, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteCan you backfly? It's a simple question you have yet to answer ... What is your exit weight? It is a simple question you have yet to answer. Not sure why my exit weight matters but it varies between 160 and 170 pounds. So you DO create more turbulence than I do. Thought so.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #52 October 31, 2011 . You do seem to have some kind of bee in your bonnet about suits.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #53 October 31, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteCan you backfly? It's a simple question you have yet to answer ... What is your exit weight? It is a simple question you have yet to answer. Not sure why my exit weight matters but it varies between 160 and 170 pounds. So you DO create more turbulence than I do. Thought so. I never said otherwise. So, can you backfly?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #54 October 31, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Can you backfly? It's a simple question you have yet to answer ... What is your exit weight? It is a simple question you have yet to answer. Not sure why my exit weight matters but it varies between 160 and 170 pounds. So you DO create more turbulence than I do. Thought so. I never said otherwise. So, can you backfly? Not only do you create more turbulence, but it seems you are also a one-trick pony. Try to stick to the point.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #55 October 31, 2011 So now (the point MANY people try to get you to realise) flying your big suit with lead at 40% next to a person flying a small suit at 90%. You realize you give of a much wider wake than that same person in a smaller suit? No bees anywhere trying to sell suits. But outside sales, trying to discuss an actual fact which you many times brushed aside with boring/endless conversations on wingloadJC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #56 October 31, 2011 QuoteQuoteI never said otherwise. So, can you backfly? Not only do you create more turbulence, but it seems you are also a one-trick pony. You might find this helpful. QuoteTry to stick to the point. What point? That you lack flying abilities and should get coaching ... PS: I'll continue this discussion with you when you've shown a maturity level beyond that of a child."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #57 October 31, 2011 No. Take a physics course, then come back.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #58 October 31, 2011 QuoteNo. Take a physics course, then come back. No need. You show perfectly well that understanding physics doesn't always mean you actually know how to apply it to real world phenomena. Just make a single, actual, close proximity wingsuit formation jump and compare the two. Not talking that '10 ft distance' record stuff. But close flying. Report back...those who have will actually laugh at you in your face when you land... Shame you choose a skydivers over 60 non-wingsuit event over the opportunity to actually experience the above yourself...JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #59 October 31, 2011 Quote What point? That you lack flying abilities and should get coaching ... . Really? I don't think it's me that repeatedly criticized someone else's flying ability. That would be YOU. You have been doing it for months now. Assuming you didn't lie in your profile, I was flying aerobatics in wingsuits before you made your first skydive.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #60 October 31, 2011 You're funny.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #61 October 31, 2011 Quote So you DO create more turbulence than I do. Thought so. Who gives a flying/falling/flailing fuck about turbulence when the conversation is flocking skills/speed? John, I'm convinced you've lost it. AARP and you are MFEO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #62 October 31, 2011 QuoteQuote So you DO create more turbulence than I do. Thought so. Who gives a flying/falling/flailing fuck about turbulence when the conversation is flocking skills/speed? John, I'm convinced you've lost it. AARP and you are MFEO. What does backflying have to do with it, either? You wouldn't have a double standard, would you? Why don't you comment when someone writes about me: "you don't know how to get back up ... you don't know how to get down ... you can't backfly.... you lack flying abilities and should get coaching "... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aerodynamite 0 #63 October 31, 2011 Just checked my logbook. In my country our average flockin falling speed in good company is mostly between 70 - 80 km/h (43,5 - 49,7 mph). Only thing that reduces our forward speed is that hard on we get with high speeds. It is not so aerodynamic.- No mercy in the flock! Straighten your legs!!! - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aerodynamite 0 #64 October 31, 2011 And O M G what a turbulence !!!!!- No mercy in the flock! Straighten your legs!!! - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrisFlyZ 0 #65 October 31, 2011 QuoteJust checked my logbook. In my country our average flockin falling speed in good company is mostly between 70 - 80 km/h (43,5 - 49,7 mph). . Very impressive! What size suits are you guys(the good company) flying? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrisFlyZ 0 #66 October 31, 2011 Quote Quote Hey Prof, Mutually exclusive goals. Flock leaders have to set a pace that is comfortable for everyone. Kris Glide ratio - not pace. 1:1 is a piss-poor glide ratio regardless of pace. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #67 November 1, 2011 Quote What does backflying have to do with it, either? You wouldn't have a double standard, would you? Why don't you comment when someone writes about me: "you don't know how to get back up ... you don't know how to get down ... you can't backfly.... you lack flying abilities and should get coaching " If Butters answered every question with a reference to physics, ducks, yawns, whatever, I'd think he was off his perch too. Honestly, I dunno how you fly; the few jumps we've had together were when you were quite new. Honestly, I don't care how you fly. I just know you're a really smart guy that comes up with some inexplicably ridiculous responses sometimes. I do the same, but I'm not a rocket scientist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aerodynamite 0 #68 November 1, 2011 It is not about the suit. It is how you fly it. We have been using Blade 2 mostly.- No mercy in the flock! Straighten your legs!!! - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #69 November 1, 2011 QuoteIt is not about the suit. It is how you fly it. We have been using Blade 2 mostly.thanks for getting the thread back on the tracks. For me interesting flocking is when people need to pop their fingers out of their asses and NOT fly "comfortable", but give a high percentage of what they can do.scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #70 November 1, 2011 Quote You're funny. Keep him busy! Thank you! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #72 November 3, 2011 Quote Gabor... We have different readings when you are 500 meters under our formation You are just too slow forward.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #73 November 3, 2011 If you see me fly underneath doing 360 on my back thats not a sign of good forward speedVideo will be up in a week or two when back from USA JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #74 November 3, 2011 Quote If you see me fly underneath doing 360 on my back thats not a sign of good forward speed no, it's a sign you can't fly stable and enter the dreaded flatspin far too easily. Arch. Ball. Pull and get a smaller suit scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Titanium_Gecko 0 #75 November 4, 2011 You do that anyway! However, that's the time to be a wanna-be movie star glory hound (if you're flying BASE above at break-off). No idea what speed or glide ratio I fly BASE at but I'll let Jarno and Butters comment, from last FnD. Being solid and even paced has seemed to be important. Gecko www.gathhelmets.co.uk www.flyyourbody.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
