mccordia 74 #26 February 20, 2012 Quote It sounds like some people feel the need to hide something for one reason or another. Seriously, WTF? Where was all this uproar from your side and others when the Grid was proposed to the USPA and IPC without ANY community input?JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WickedWingsuits 0 #27 February 20, 2012 Quote I'm also only commenting on information others have posted on facebook and other sources. Putting one and one together to see what two is has little to do with secret councils and whatever kind of 'gang' Im appearantly part of... Oh, now you are telling fibs because I know you have PM'd some people stating what is going on..... Not to worry, you play your games, I will just watch.Summer Rental special, 5 weeks for the price of 4! That is $160 a month. Try before You Buy with Wicked Wingsuits - WingsuitRental.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
omnia 0 #28 February 20, 2012 QuoteWhere was all this uproar from your side and others when the Grid was proposed to the USPA and IPC without ANY community input?Unsure Can you explain to me what my "side" is? I wasn't even wingsuiting when the Grid was proposed so I have no idea what you're talking about. Nor do I see the relevance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #29 February 20, 2012 Again no games, no conspiracies. The PM to 'some people' (Onmia) was a direct quote from a FB post on the subject. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm also simply watching this from the side-line, though severely enjoying the show.JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnmatrix 21 #30 February 20, 2012 My cat's breath smells like cat food. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #31 February 21, 2012 I own some Pink Floyd records."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkycndo 0 #32 February 21, 2012 I like ketchup in my beans George.50 donations so far. Give it a try. You know you want to spank it Jump an Infinity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #33 February 21, 2012 I miss my records. Alas, I no longer have a turntable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aerodynamite 0 #34 February 21, 2012 How is this possible? Everytime I read this forum I feel that the wingsuiting community sucks ass. Everything is so full of shit. But in the real world I meet the people and everybody are really cool and awesome individuals. I have never met an asshole wingsuiter. WTF is going on here? Tero Paukku- No mercy in the flock! Straighten your legs!!! - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lonedfx 0 #35 February 21, 2012 Quote WTF is going on here? Two words: internet forum. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #36 February 21, 2012 Quote How is this possible? Everytime I read this forum I feel that the wingsuiting community sucks ass. Everything is so full of shit. But in the real world I meet the people and everybody are really cool and awesome individuals. I have never met an asshole wingsuiter. WTF is going on here? Tero Paukku Hi Tero ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #37 February 21, 2012 Quote Quote It sounds like some people feel the need to hide something for one reason or another. Seriously, WTF? Where was all this uproar from your side and others when the Grid was proposed to the USPA and IPC without ANY community input? Jarno, I have no affinity for "the grid". As you know, I made my own, quite different proposal. However, continuing to badmouth people who set records according to existing rules, whether or not you like those rules, is very low class.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #38 February 21, 2012 QuoteJarno, I have no affinity for "the grid". As you know, I made my own, quite different proposal. Setting a record using "the grid" is like setting a record at the Special Olympics ... just because I ride the short plane and lick the windows does not mean I'm special. Unlike "the grid", your method at least appeared to reward those moving in the right direction."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #39 February 21, 2012 could we have a quick reminder of the different existing/proposed methods, like The Grid, The Kallendar, The Cordeau etcscissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LukeH 0 #40 February 21, 2012 The grid system is terrible, hopefully whatever is changed is an improvement (I can’t imagine it being worse) and we will see better record formations. Can someone post a photo of this 4 way? I can see two reasons for peoples outrage: 1) they have poor skills and have no hope of being on a record now 2) their (or their friends) business plan was relying on the number of participants increasing steadily from an already high 68. I have little sympathy for either, save your outrage for something important. Quote Quote Quote It sounds like some people feel the need to hide something for one reason or another. Seriously, WTF? Where was all this uproar from your side and others when the Grid was proposed to the USPA and IPC without ANY community input? Jarno, I have no affinity for "the grid". As you know, I made my own, quite different proposal. However, continuing to badmouth people who set records according to existing rules, whether or not you like those rules, is very low class. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #41 February 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteJarno, I have no affinity for "the grid". As you know, I made my own, quite different proposal. Setting a record using "the grid" is like setting a record at the Special Olympics ... just because I ride the short plane and lick the windows does not mean I'm special. Unlike "the grid", your method at least appeared to reward those moving in the right direction. I don't think you can fault anyone for following the rules, whether or not you think those rules are optimal. If a 68 way in "the grid" is so "short bus" easy, how come we aren't doing that every weekend?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #42 February 21, 2012 QuoteHowever, continuing to badmouth people who set records according to existing rules, whether or not you like those rules, is very low class. Ive never badmouthed anyone who flew, or did anything. In fact Ive dedicated a lot of free time, money and effort into trying to push for better and better standards as well. So far for about 10 years that Ive been flying wingsuits. Criticizing a judging standard is NOT criticizing the actual accomplishment. That first 71 way was just a big a feat, as the 68 way. Outside of the standard it was judged by. Just as the current submitted formations are praise worthy. Regardless if its a 4 way, 10 way or 25 way. It may be sad to see a new record be smaller than past ones. But the improvement cant always be a numbers thing. Quality has to go up as well. And I guess thats what last years change/update did. And it means people have to work harder. Again, not saying previous formations where bad (for those ready to pounce), but only saying the new ones are going to be flown closer. People need to stop playing martyr and dare to set the bar higher and higher every time for other aspects than just 'numbers'. I hope this progress is a good step towards a standard that sticks. I know we've been busy within the IPC as well (with a lot of good input from you as well), and can only applaud whats happening everywhere. Regardless if its a 68 way or a 4 way. Its moving forward.JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #43 February 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteJarno, I have no affinity for "the grid". As you know, I made my own, quite different proposal. Setting a record using "the grid" is like setting a record at the Special Olympics ... just because I ride the short plane and lick the windows does not mean I'm special. Unlike "the grid", your method at least appeared to reward those moving in the right direction. I don't think you can fault anyone for following the rules, whether or not you think those rules are optimal. If a 68 way in "the grid" is so "short bus" easy, how come we aren't doing that every weekend? I'm not faulting them for following the rules. I'm faulting them for accepting the rules. I never said it was easy. I said it was easier than it should be. How many individuals on that record had less than 50 flights, 100 flights, or 500 flights?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WickedWingsuits 0 #44 February 21, 2012 I don't see that anything has changed in the real world... http://www.uspa.org/USPAMembers/RecordsAwards/ExistingRecords/National/tabid/144/Default.aspxSummer Rental special, 5 weeks for the price of 4! That is $160 a month. Try before You Buy with Wicked Wingsuits - WingsuitRental.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #45 February 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteJarno, I have no affinity for "the grid". As you know, I made my own, quite different proposal. Setting a record using "the grid" is like setting a record at the Special Olympics ... just because I ride the short plane and lick the windows does not mean I'm special. Unlike "the grid", your method at least appeared to reward those moving in the right direction. I don't think you can fault anyone for following the rules, whether or not you think those rules are optimal. If a 68 way in "the grid" is so "short bus" easy, how come we aren't doing that every weekend? I'm not faulting them for following the rules. I'm faulting them for accepting the rules. A lot of NFL kickoff returners don't like the new kickoff rules, but they accept them because they are the rules. Accepting rules, while working to change rules you don't like, is adult behavior. Going home in a snit isn't adult behavior.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #46 February 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteJarno, I have no affinity for "the grid". As you know, I made my own, quite different proposal. Setting a record using "the grid" is like setting a record at the Special Olympics ... just because I ride the short plane and lick the windows does not mean I'm special. Unlike "the grid", your method at least appeared to reward those moving in the right direction. I don't think you can fault anyone for following the rules, whether or not you think those rules are optimal. If a 68 way in "the grid" is so "short bus" easy, how come we aren't doing that every weekend? I'm not faulting them for following the rules. I'm faulting them for accepting the rules. A lot of NFL kickoff returners don't like the new kickoff rules, but they accept them because they are the rules. Accepting rules, while working to change rules you don't like, is adult behavior. Going home in a snit isn't adult behavior. Okaly dokaly, I'll go with your thought process on following and accepting. If you followed the rules and set (or attempted to set) a record than you accepted the rules. However, if you followed the rules and didn't attempt to set a record than it's possible you accepted or didn't accept the rules. I fall into the last category, I followed the rules, didn't attempt to set a record, and don't accept the rules ..."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #47 February 21, 2012 I don't like rules. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #48 February 21, 2012 QuoteI don't like rules. For the most part, me either."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
