mccordia 74 #51 July 10, 2012 I'm also not sure which company you're talking about. But it must be the Evil Slumlord of Wingsuits with their big world office in a hidden location in the dark mountains of doom. Big tower with a glowing eye on top? Just to get some facts straight: Not a single PFI was 'fired'. Nor is Douglas the single 'boss of the world'. There is actually a much larger group of examiners and an even larger group of non-PF-affiliated people all working together to increase safety. What did happen with the change from PFI to PFC> several 'bad apples' lost their 'rating' due to bad teaching skills, bad practical flying skills or not adhering to set standards. In terms of what the program promotes in safety, and the type of training its 100% what the company stands for. Regardless if its the USPA or PF and/or FlyYourBody as a company promoting more structured training through their own programs. The fact is that its safety and structure through updated and current training techniques and knowledge thats being promoted. Nothing more, nothing less.JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5.samadhi 0 #52 July 10, 2012 I'm glad this thread devolved into brand wars!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #53 July 10, 2012 Are you dense? I'm not talking about Tony. When I grow up I Wanna be Tony. I named my 3 daughters after Toni. Not only does he make the best suits ever. The ones that hold records. Do XRW, long distance record RW, highest altitude RW. Base speed race record RW. He does his own stunts. Flys a man's canopy with a wingsuit ( not recommending that you girly men try what Tony does). He sews his own suits then goes out and rocks them. One day I might buy one. So he is too busy to be pestering my BOD with crap Keep up the good work Tony, you rock! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #54 July 10, 2012 I have been kind of missing it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #55 July 10, 2012 and right back to name calling. wingsuiting will die a slow painful death if we continue down this path. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #56 July 10, 2012 What color do you want your Phoenix-fly destroyed wingsuiting T-shirt in. I'm going to have a bunch printed and sell them as more and more DZ s ban us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #57 July 10, 2012 Quoteand right back to name calling. wingsuiting will die a slow painful death if we continue down this path.[/reply Hey your killin me now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 801 #58 July 11, 2012 See? You NEED a WSI to survive!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VectorBoy 0 #59 July 11, 2012 So a WSI walks into a spar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VectorBoy 0 #60 July 11, 2012 How can you tell who is a WSI.... Oh don't worry he'll tell YOU! Tell how much experience he has and how fucked up everybody else is and a wonder were not dead along time ago. Tell you about his near death malfunction after a breakfire on a sabre 2 190 @ 5000ft. OMG. Flat spinsville. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VectorBoy 0 #61 July 11, 2012 Quote See? You NEED a WSI to survive!!! I need WSI like I need Hole in my canopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 801 #62 July 11, 2012 I'm reminded of a smoking discussion back in 04-05. Converted school bus at Z-hills. You'll never guess WHO made it his primary goal to become THE FIRST USPA rated WSI. As things worked out, it's beyond impossible for him to EVER achieve said rating now. Or in the future should the USPA create said rating. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VectorBoy 0 #63 July 11, 2012 Because you said I'll never guess I'm going to pick the improbable as I've never been to Z hills. Jeff K? If My answer is right then let's not forget he was new then. I think he would be afraid I would ridicule him If he did go to the WSI side. I know lots of people have a boner for him. I don't. I alright with him. He flys 10 times better than any factory WSI and does not walk around telling us were all fucked up. Mad props for that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WickedWingsuits 0 #64 July 11, 2012 Jarno, you are taking a key statement totally out of context, just like FOX News. I said that a WSI wouldn't have made a difference because there isn't even an experienced wingsuiter at the drop zone. That means there is zero chance that someone from the drop zone could ever be qualified or motivated to become a WSI. Therefore...by your logic wingsuiting wouldn't be allowed anyway because nobody is qualified to support it. Your rating is actually what will be the death of wingsuiting.Summer Rental special, 5 weeks for the price of 4! That is $160 a month. Try before You Buy with Wicked Wingsuits - WingsuitRental.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 801 #65 July 11, 2012 Why are so many opposed to improving safety, knowledge, and skill in our sport? I don't get it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites The111 1 #66 July 11, 2012 Quote Your rating is actually what will be the death of wingsuiting. Sounds really scary! But weren't you the one who said: Quote Let's not blow this out of proportion and scare monger. Both sides in this fight are being way too dramatic. Things are fairly ok right now. We're not killing ourselves left and right, and we can jump most places. That's not to say we don't need improvements. Things would probably improve a bit with more standardized instruction, although there will certainly be some negatives (or we wouldn't be arguing), and the world still won't be perfect. I doubt that EITHER side wants to "kill wingsuiting" or truly believes the other side will succeed in doing that. I hope nobody is that naive, at least. www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Butters 0 #67 July 11, 2012 QuoteBoth sides in this fight are being way too dramatic. Maybe it's past their nap time ..."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 801 #68 July 11, 2012 Nice pajamas! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Bones 0 #69 July 11, 2012 And with that picture, this thread has come full circle...a young jumper with a wingsuit that's far too big for his level of experience. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VectorBoy 0 #70 July 11, 2012 How do you know he is not a prodigy.... Bazinga! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #71 July 11, 2012 Quote QuoteA WSI wouldn't help one bit here anyways. It actually would. .... Yet having Mr Cool show up the next week, slap people in big suits, flocks bigger than they should be flying in, and no attention to exits or tecnique in whatever way. A WSI rating will prevent that guy from instructing as well. I doubt it. We've all seen video of rated tandem instructors doing stupid things. Why would a WSI be different? Having a rating doesn't signify that you have common sense.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #72 July 11, 2012 Quote Quote Your rating is actually what will be the death of wingsuiting. Sounds really scary! But weren't you the one who said: Quote Let's not blow this out of proportion and scare monger. Both sides in this fight are being way too dramatic. Things are fairly ok right now. We're not killing ourselves left and right, and we can jump most places. That's not to say we don't need improvements. Things would probably improve a bit with more standardized instruction, although there will certainly be some negatives (or we wouldn't be arguing), and the world still won't be perfect. I doubt that EITHER side wants to "kill wingsuiting" or truly believes the other side will succeed in doing that. I hope nobody is that naive, at least. +1 And I think the issues of poor instruction are being conflated with issues of stupid skydiver tricks. The best instruction in the world doesn't prevent skydivers killing themselves doing stupid things. How many WS incidents can be directly attributed to poor instruction as opposed to trying something dumb ("hold my beer and watch this") or a moment of inattention? Very few, IMO.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mccordia 74 #73 July 11, 2012 Quote I doubt it. We've all seen video of rated tandem instructors doing stupid things. Now take a wild guess as to what happened to their rating after that, and how many tandem skydives they've made since than..JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #74 July 11, 2012 Quote Quote I doubt it. We've all seen video of rated tandem instructors doing stupid things. Now take a wild guess as to what happened to their rating after that, and how many tandem skydives they've made since than.. In most cases, (a) nothing and (b) lots. You can't legislate good judgment and common sense.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites monkycndo 0 #75 July 11, 2012 Folks, lets do the bitching about WS coaches in that other thread. I know we WSers have a short attention span, but the thread title kinda gives you a clue. 50 donations so far. Give it a try. You know you want to spank it Jump an Infinity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 3 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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normiss 801 #58 July 11, 2012 See? You NEED a WSI to survive!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #59 July 11, 2012 So a WSI walks into a spar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #60 July 11, 2012 How can you tell who is a WSI.... Oh don't worry he'll tell YOU! Tell how much experience he has and how fucked up everybody else is and a wonder were not dead along time ago. Tell you about his near death malfunction after a breakfire on a sabre 2 190 @ 5000ft. OMG. Flat spinsville. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #61 July 11, 2012 Quote See? You NEED a WSI to survive!!! I need WSI like I need Hole in my canopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #62 July 11, 2012 I'm reminded of a smoking discussion back in 04-05. Converted school bus at Z-hills. You'll never guess WHO made it his primary goal to become THE FIRST USPA rated WSI. As things worked out, it's beyond impossible for him to EVER achieve said rating now. Or in the future should the USPA create said rating. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #63 July 11, 2012 Because you said I'll never guess I'm going to pick the improbable as I've never been to Z hills. Jeff K? If My answer is right then let's not forget he was new then. I think he would be afraid I would ridicule him If he did go to the WSI side. I know lots of people have a boner for him. I don't. I alright with him. He flys 10 times better than any factory WSI and does not walk around telling us were all fucked up. Mad props for that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WickedWingsuits 0 #64 July 11, 2012 Jarno, you are taking a key statement totally out of context, just like FOX News. I said that a WSI wouldn't have made a difference because there isn't even an experienced wingsuiter at the drop zone. That means there is zero chance that someone from the drop zone could ever be qualified or motivated to become a WSI. Therefore...by your logic wingsuiting wouldn't be allowed anyway because nobody is qualified to support it. Your rating is actually what will be the death of wingsuiting.Summer Rental special, 5 weeks for the price of 4! That is $160 a month. Try before You Buy with Wicked Wingsuits - WingsuitRental.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #65 July 11, 2012 Why are so many opposed to improving safety, knowledge, and skill in our sport? I don't get it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #66 July 11, 2012 Quote Your rating is actually what will be the death of wingsuiting. Sounds really scary! But weren't you the one who said: Quote Let's not blow this out of proportion and scare monger. Both sides in this fight are being way too dramatic. Things are fairly ok right now. We're not killing ourselves left and right, and we can jump most places. That's not to say we don't need improvements. Things would probably improve a bit with more standardized instruction, although there will certainly be some negatives (or we wouldn't be arguing), and the world still won't be perfect. I doubt that EITHER side wants to "kill wingsuiting" or truly believes the other side will succeed in doing that. I hope nobody is that naive, at least. www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #67 July 11, 2012 QuoteBoth sides in this fight are being way too dramatic. Maybe it's past their nap time ..."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bones 0 #69 July 11, 2012 And with that picture, this thread has come full circle...a young jumper with a wingsuit that's far too big for his level of experience. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #70 July 11, 2012 How do you know he is not a prodigy.... Bazinga! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #71 July 11, 2012 Quote QuoteA WSI wouldn't help one bit here anyways. It actually would. .... Yet having Mr Cool show up the next week, slap people in big suits, flocks bigger than they should be flying in, and no attention to exits or tecnique in whatever way. A WSI rating will prevent that guy from instructing as well. I doubt it. We've all seen video of rated tandem instructors doing stupid things. Why would a WSI be different? Having a rating doesn't signify that you have common sense.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #72 July 11, 2012 Quote Quote Your rating is actually what will be the death of wingsuiting. Sounds really scary! But weren't you the one who said: Quote Let's not blow this out of proportion and scare monger. Both sides in this fight are being way too dramatic. Things are fairly ok right now. We're not killing ourselves left and right, and we can jump most places. That's not to say we don't need improvements. Things would probably improve a bit with more standardized instruction, although there will certainly be some negatives (or we wouldn't be arguing), and the world still won't be perfect. I doubt that EITHER side wants to "kill wingsuiting" or truly believes the other side will succeed in doing that. I hope nobody is that naive, at least. +1 And I think the issues of poor instruction are being conflated with issues of stupid skydiver tricks. The best instruction in the world doesn't prevent skydivers killing themselves doing stupid things. How many WS incidents can be directly attributed to poor instruction as opposed to trying something dumb ("hold my beer and watch this") or a moment of inattention? Very few, IMO.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #73 July 11, 2012 Quote I doubt it. We've all seen video of rated tandem instructors doing stupid things. Now take a wild guess as to what happened to their rating after that, and how many tandem skydives they've made since than..JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #74 July 11, 2012 Quote Quote I doubt it. We've all seen video of rated tandem instructors doing stupid things. Now take a wild guess as to what happened to their rating after that, and how many tandem skydives they've made since than.. In most cases, (a) nothing and (b) lots. You can't legislate good judgment and common sense.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkycndo 0 #75 July 11, 2012 Folks, lets do the bitching about WS coaches in that other thread. I know we WSers have a short attention span, but the thread title kinda gives you a clue. 50 donations so far. Give it a try. You know you want to spank it Jump an Infinity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
