wildernessmedic 0 #1 December 21, 2016 Sounds like there's no way I can use my Vampire 3 for FFC. After I do it what's the soonest I'm looking at being able to use it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skow 6 #2 December 21, 2016 Just to be on a safe side, I'd do at least 3 jumps with something smaller. Carve or Hunter could be a reasonable choice. If your coach doesn't agree, find a new one. No one needs nay-sayers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black_Eyes90 0 #3 December 21, 2016 but don't Forget to use it with your 69 valkyre or so... but seriously, it will take a 'couple' of jumps before you can jump the suit safe... on Phoenix Fly Website it says: 'We recommend a MINIMUM of 250 wingsuit jumps before trying the Vampire' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnmatrix 21 #4 December 21, 2016 Black_Eyes90 on Phoenix Fly Website it says: 'We recommend a MINIMUM of 250 wingsuit jumps before trying the Vampire' That would be for the current Vampire models, each quite a bit larger and higher performance than the Vampire 3. From memory I think the original recommendation for it was around 100-150 WS jumps, which seems about right to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheCaptain 2 #5 December 21, 2016 skowJust to be on a safe side, I'd do at least 3 jumps with something smaller. Carve or Hunter could be a reasonable choice. If your coach doesn't agree, find a new one. No one needs nay-sayers Really ??? Phoenix Fly advises a minimum of 100 wingsuit jumps to fly the Carve http://phoenix-fly.com/portfolio/havok-2/ And a minimum of 200 wingsuit jumps to fly the hunter http://phoenix-fly.com/portfolio/hunter/ To the OP if your jump # is current please get at least 200 jumps before starting to wingsuit I would suggest renting a smaller suit and putting a minimum of 100 jumps on it before jumping your V3 http://wickedwingsuits.com/Kirk He's dead Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildernessmedic 0 #6 December 21, 2016 K I'll do as many as I can with the FFC wingsuit. I spoke to Phoenix fly. Recommend 100 not 200. No jump number isn't correct. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #7 December 21, 2016 The recommendation 100 or so is of course arbitrary and depends a lot on skill and experience in general. Depending on what you do in 100 jumps, it may be ok, or size-wise/suit wise not the best idea yet. Work on all-round skills, and don't just learn to plank a suit for performance. Master complete flight, and usually that takes a bit more than 100...but in general...more is better...always more experience..JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pobrause 6 #8 December 21, 2016 Jarno, when are you going to implement your ws tunnel hours into your profile? ------------------------------------------------------- To absent friends Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildernessmedic 0 #9 December 21, 2016 Oh hi Jarno. You're the one I talked to. This post became kind of obsolete after all your help. Thanks ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ik_sky 0 #10 December 22, 2016 wildernessmedicSounds like there's no way I can use my Vampire 3 for FFC. After I do it what's the soonest I'm looking at being able to use it? Four years ago in Poland during wingsiut jump an experienced skydiver (1600 jumps) was died. Low experience in wingsuit fly (less than 25) + large wingsiut (Vampire 3) caused rotation of jumper at the deployment. The result of line twist of Crossfire2 135 and viloent spinning. After cut off on the back, the RSL opened the reserve, which entangled with the camera on his helmet. So be safe and when start use the smaller suits- something as: I-Bird or Phantom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdynamnam 28 #11 December 22, 2016 Quote...Crossfire2 135 and violent spinning... RSL opened the reserve, which entangled... Elliptical and wingsuit - never ever a good idea no matter suit. Low wingsuit experience and adding a Gopro snag hazard spiced up with unwanted instant RSL action - dangerous combination. As such not a suit issue, rather this jumper created more dangerous issues here and there for himself. Could have happened with smaller wingsuits as well, would be my point here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildernessmedic 0 #12 December 22, 2016 Well I'll be using a specter 190 with whatever suit I do it with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WickedWingsuits 0 #13 December 23, 2016 wildernessmedicK I'll do as many as I can with the FFC wingsuit. I spoke to Phoenix fly. Recommend 100 not 200. No jump number isn't correct. It makes more sense not just for safety but also performance if you get your hands on an intermediate suit for logging those jumps.Summer Rental special, 5 weeks for the price of 4! That is $160 a month. Try before You Buy with Wicked Wingsuits - WingsuitRental.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hjumper33 0 #14 December 25, 2016 You've got plenty of good advice already. Im just laughing that not that many years ago the V3 was the biggest, craziest, highest performing wingsuit around. Now people consider using them for first flight courses. How the times have changed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #15 December 26, 2016 hjumper33 Im just laughing that not that many years ago the V3 was the biggest, craziest, highest performing wingsuit around. Now people consider using them for first flight courses. How the times have changed. The V3 was never the biggest suit - the Mach 1 and its successors had been out for years already. It was never the craziest either. It was way more stable than any of the previous V-series or Skyflyer suits, and probably more so than any that have come after it as well. In terms of precision handling it just might be the nicest, easiest suit I've ever flown, to this day. But it's still a big suit to exit with, a lot of area to handle if you get into trouble, and also one of the last suits where the arm-wing fully depressurizes and flaps all over the BOC at pull time, so yeah it's really not a great FFC contenderDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
verticalflyer 11 #16 December 27, 2016 The GS1 from Jii wings came before all of them and was way bigger than any other suit around at the time 2004.Dont just talk about it, Do it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hjumper33 0 #17 December 27, 2016 Youre absolutely right, I guess I was more thinking of the perception of the suit in the base world as being kind of the pinnacle of performance. That was when only a handful of people were base jumping tony suits, and the "mattress suit" area hadn't officially begun, at least in base. I agree, the V3 is probably still up there as one of my favorite wingsuits of all time as well. I took one off of the KL tower with a 42 large mesh jammed into the leg pouch. Horrible idea. I think the biggest suit of that time was the XS. Nebelkoff had the first one id ever seen, and he was flying it against V2s (one of which I was in) at the distance competition. He destroyed everyone by a ridiculous margin, including Dean Potter, a man who took great pride in winning these type of events. That result is directly what lead to Dean switching from phoenix fly to tony suits. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #18 December 28, 2016 jakee The V3 was never the biggest suit - the Mach 1 and its successors had been out for years already. Thats not matching the actual timeline The V3 came out in 2004 GS1 came out in 2006, Sugar Glider 2004 Tonysuits started making/selling suits in 2006 ws historyJC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #19 December 28, 2016 mccordia *** The V3 was never the biggest suit - the Mach 1 and its successors had been out for years already. Thats not matching the actual timeline The V3 came out in 2004 GS1 came out in 2006, Sugar Glider 2004 Tonysuits started making/selling suits in 2006 ws history Ummm, you think Phoenix-Fly's first wingsuit was called the Vampire 3? You're funny!Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #20 December 29, 2016 jakee ****** The V3 was never the biggest suit - the Mach 1 and its successors had been out for years already. Thats not matching the actual timeline The V3 came out in 2004 GS1 came out in 2006, Sugar Glider 2004 Tonysuits started making/selling suits in 2006 ws history Ummm, you think Phoenix-Fly's first wingsuit was called the Vampire 3? You're funny!2003 Phoenix was still bird man. 2004 Phoenix V1 was out at the end of the year over here. 2006 I bought a factory new V2 ( still have it) early in that year. It may have been released in the previous fall not sure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #21 December 29, 2016 incorrectly just asumed Vampire, As V1 and V3 don't differ in size that massive.JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #22 December 29, 2016 mccordia incorrectly just asumed Vampire, As V1 and V3 don't differ in size that massive. What, 'cos size is all that matters for performance and handling? Odd position for a PF rep to takeDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timski 80 #23 December 29, 2016 mccordia *** The V3 was never the biggest suit - the Mach 1 and its successors had been out for years already. Thats not matching the actual timeline The V3 came out in 2004 GS1 came out in 2006, Sugar Glider 2004 Tonysuits started making/selling suits in 2006 ws history The history lesson has a few holes in it... 1969-70 saw some prototype WS being flown... But I digress. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #24 December 30, 2016 All additions to the history page are welcome. Shoot them via PM or email to flylikebrick@gmail.com and Ill add themJC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnmatrix 21 #25 January 1, 2017 Jan 2012 - best wingsuit boogie ever occurs at Bridgewater DZ in Australia. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
