TomAiello 26 #26 December 2, 2002 QuoteI've also noticed, for some reason, that the freefliers are far more receptive to BASE than the belly fliers. This is a trend that many experienced BASE jumpers find very disturbing. Freefliers tend to be the skydivers who are worst prepared to BASE jump (minimal flat flying skills, no "flat is safe" reflex, little or no 7 cell experience, tendency toward swooping canopies [which are as different from BASE canopies as Pargliders]). There have been several funny/scary incidents involving master freeflyers trying to get into BASE (one swoop god broke his leg twice in his first ten jumps, trying to land a BASE canopy in a huge landing area, and the master of Freefly (TM) reportedly failed to make one stable exit in his two week stay in Norway [even though he brought along a camera crew to shoot footage for his video]). There are definitely some freeflyers (especially the older ones) who are fantastic BASE jumpers. But if I had to pick a 200 jump skydiver to take up BASE, I'd take a CRW jumper first, an Accuracy jumper second, an RW jumper third, a Style jumper fourth... You get the idea. The only people who seem worse prepared for BASE than freeflyers are canopy swoopers, and most of them were freeflyers to begin with.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyThomas 0 #27 December 2, 2002 I think freefliers ran into resistance because they were doing something different. Similar story with BASE. I found that the people who don't understand are the people who object the most. "I don't understand, so I think you are nuts!" Not really, I just want to expand my horizons. And try new things. I like 3flier's point about Jealousy also. "i am green with envy, because I am way too scared to try that. So I will dis you instead!" The DZ I trained at didn't like me because I wanted to do solo, screw-off jumps rather than be on a four way that I was obviously the worst on. I was thinking that I enjoy the falling, not the turning the points. Belly fliers........pfffff....what's new about that? Really, boxman isn't that hard. let's see, relax, and arch? Peace, Thomas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #28 December 2, 2002 Quote Belly fliers........pfffff....what's new about that? Really, boxman isn't that hard. let's see, relax, and arch? True. But Tom has a good point about not instinctually going to your belly for stability. It depends on the situation, but my instancts take me into about every position but my belly. I've long since drummed that out of my head. I can see how that would be an issue if you're unstable and need to react without thinking. He's also right about the tendency to swoop. I'm a swooper and those instincts put me in the water at Bridge Day. I've been doing practice hop-n-pops just to learn different canopy flying skills. - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #29 December 3, 2002 i'm sure if we think a bit we could name a DZ that sponsers a team, many of whom are also BASE jumpers (hint a number of them hung out in europe after the world meet.) i have yet to run into anything resembling predjudice on my DZ, other than the "you guys are nuts" comments. In fact they build BASE rigs right next to the school ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
78RATS 0 #30 December 3, 2002 "I find the negative attitude from people at the DZ mainly stems from jealousy. Suddenly you are involved in something they can not do / won't do and they will focus negativity toward you for this." ______________________________________________ Spoken like a freeflyer Cman # 260799 Rat for Life - Fly till I die When them stupid ass bitches ask why Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #31 December 3, 2002 Reply to Suz: My local Antenna "lives"20km from me whit freindly farmers allaround,i think i just would stop skydiving and go for BASE. I does think that BASE is the greatest,but i also love Skydiving. Mick,i didnt ask at the Board,becours i didnt wanted to start one of thouse discus as you know.I hope that BASE jumpers on the Board will realize that they maybe scare (new)pepole as me.Maybe its becours i dont know the humor,the pepole or just my poor english so i misunderstand.Buttonline think i just felt me too much a newbie.Ill give it a shot. Peace!!! Stefan Faber Stay safe Stefan Faber Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #32 December 3, 2002 Think you are rigth Tom,if i had used more time at a largder Canopi in stead of my Crossfire,i migth just were out jumping now..Lesson to meStefan Faber Stay safe Stefan Faber Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3fLiEr 0 #33 December 3, 2002 QuoteTrue. But Tom has a good point about not instinctually going to your belly for stability. It depends on the situation, but my instancts take me into about every position but my belly. I've long since drummed that out of my head. Sorry but none of my freeflying instincts are with me on a BASE jump.............. Different game ......... different approach.......... Be Safe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #34 December 3, 2002 QuoteSorry but none of my freeflying instincts are with me on a BASE jump.............. Different game ......... different approach.......... Just to clarify I haven't had to deal with unstability (other than the usual newbie head-downs... and those I just ride out), so maybe I would react correctly, but I think it's a legitimate concern to keep in one's mind. - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #35 December 3, 2002 i wonder if Eddi Murfie went as a freeflyer afther Dropzone, cours i think it look a bit like a stand while he launce the building in The art of war. Think this is for talk back forum,ill move it to there Stay safe Stefan Faber Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skypuppy 1 #36 December 10, 2002 Back in the old days I remember one of the jumper's was having a party at their place close to the dz... Being recently returned from Bridge Day another guy and myself decided it would be alright if the pilot could just fly us over the party at Bridge height (ie. 876')... It really looked like the ground was close and going by fast! But we figured we weren't used to spotting at 900' so it was bound to look low... We exited - I had a pc hesitation but got open and turned around toward the party before landing... Turned out it looked low for a reason!!! We hadn't realized the house was about 400' higher than the airport - we'd actually gotten out around 500'!!! After the jump, figuring costs of $1.00 per thousand feet, we both went up to the DZO and gave him 50 cents... SkypuppyIf some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
