spectreflyer 0 #1 September 23, 2003 I'm looking for feedback from those whom have used a MoJo canopy, (mainly in a skydiving configuration), such as for demo jumps. Looking for information on how the canopy flys, sinks, lands and flares. I'm considering one for doing demo jumps. The main reasons: It opens fast because it is designed mainly for base, and can be purchased with a ZP top skin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Treejumps 0 #2 September 23, 2003 I'm not sure that CR even makes the Mojo anymore. Get an Ace instead. Newer design, ZP composite topskin. An excellent canopy to do demos on, and you can huck yourself off of stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andy2 0 #3 September 23, 2003 does the ZP come standard or is it an option? Wouldn't this make it a bit harder for a beginner to pack? --------------------------------------------- let my inspiration flow, in token rhyme suggesting rhythm... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #4 September 23, 2003 What Tree said. The Mojo CAN be made but it really isn't any more. Are you planning to huck yourself off stuff? That's when the opens quickly part comes in handy. If you're only planning on doing skydives on it, You may wish to fly a skydiving canopy. As Tree mentioned, you can huck yourself off stuff. If that's really part of your goal, the Ace is just dandy. And it can Easily double as the demo canopy. I jump one and love it. Your spectre is a great demo canopy as well. Personally, I'd just fly that unless your secretly trying to get into BASE Hope that helpsMy grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spectreflyer 0 #5 September 23, 2003 The MoJo is still available according to their website. The topskin is an option. The reason im considering a base specific canopy is that I want to exit the plane on demo jumps at low altitude so the crowd can see the jumper. That's what my customers are asking for. I normally jump a small Spectre and I demo'ed a large one. The larger the Spectre the slower it opens. I jumped a 210 and 230 and they open too slow for these domo's. I would love to stick with the Spectre as a demo, but I would have to exit higher, which my sponsor does not want. A friend of mine does demo's with a MoJo. He exits at 1200 feet and has an open canopy within a hundred feet or so! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #6 September 23, 2003 sounds like a fun job,how does i get one similar? Stay safe Stefan Faber Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #7 September 23, 2003 Thats a violation of the BSR's and hopefully you're not getting demo insurance on these since that big of a violation of the BSR's should result in the insurance being rendered null if a claim is filed. Is 1200 really enough time to exit, have mal (like a line over) breakaway and open the reserve then fly the reserve to the demo and stick the landing? Personally I'd tell the sponsor that the safety of an extra 800 or 1000 feet on exit is worth more then their money.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #8 September 23, 2003 Search for a used one. ZP was not very popular though. It's on the website and technically it's available but how long do you wish to wait? The Ace is now manufactured by PD and has nearly replace the Mojo altogether. The Mojo is made in house. The Mojo is Great. You can also look for a used one. However if you choose to go new, I'd say go with the Ace instead. Check your PMs in a couple minutes.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #9 September 23, 2003 QuoteThe MoJo is still available according to their website. I believe the web site is out of date. I know of at least two relatively experienced jumpers who were unable to convince CR to manufacture Mojos for them within the past three months (they were both jumping them and wanted new Mojos, rather than Aces or Blackjacks, primarily because the Mojo has the lowest pack volume of any BASE canopy). There are still plenty of used Mojos for sale secondhand, though, so you ought to be able to pick one up relatively cheaply. QuoteThe topskin is an option. The ZP topskin will make it much harder to find a used canopy to meet your requirements. ZP topskins are fairly rare.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #10 September 23, 2003 I've put around 300 jumps on a Mojo. QuoteLooking for information on how the canopy flys, sinks, lands and flares. Flys: I don't really know what you are comparing too. It pretty much flies like a Mojo, as far as I can tell. It has forward speed around 18mph in full drive, and is quite solid in turbulence. It also recovers from turbulence and stalls quite quickly. Sinks: In my opinion, the Mojo is one of the best sinking unvented canopies ever made. It stays very solid way down in the control range. It's not too hard to back one up with light winds. Lands and Flares: Most skydivers have trouble getting the Mojo to flare well for them, because it has a very long control stroke. If you're not going to spend a lot of time on it, you'll probably want to take wraps of the steering line for a strong flare. With the factory toggle settings, I have trouble getting good flare (I shortened my toggles several inches), but that may be because I have stubby arms. I'd definitely practice the flare quite a bit before doing a demo onto pavement or concrete. It takes a while to master.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spectreflyer 0 #11 September 23, 2003 Compliance with the BSR's are voluntary, not mandatory. I personally would not exit at 1200 feet. Demo insurance calls for compliance with the BSR's which opening at or above 2,000 feet should meet the requirements! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheMonkey 0 #12 September 23, 2003 QuoteI want to exit the plane on demo jumps at low altitude so the crowd can see the jumper. That's what my customers are asking for. wear smoke, you can jump from 2grand and the crowd will see you just fine..... --------------------- Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #13 September 23, 2003 Quote I want to exit the plane on demo jumps at low altitude so the crowd can see the jumper. That's what my customers are asking for. Quote Just wondering... What kind of Demos are you doing? ...I mean into where? and carrying what? I see from your 13 posts... 1/2 of which are relatively recently asking questions pertaining to rigging a flag in the lines, that you most likely don't have a lot of Parachute Demonstration experience. I'm truly not trying to be condescending here... But do you really have a grasp on what you're doing? Who in the world is your 'sponsor' and why should ANYTHING he wants, cause you to DRASTICALLY increase the odds of your early demise? In my eyes, from what you are telling us anyway... What you are doing is not a demonstration, but rather a stunt... Nothing wrong with that... as long as you 'sponsor' is paying "stunt" money! Are you are taking all possible precautions to insure success...??? From the tone of some of your past posts, I fear you may not be at that level. Have you looked into not only the BSR's you're disregarding... but the multitude of other possible ramifications should something go wrong? Is the pilot aware of how quick his ticket may be pulled?? Is you 'sponsor' aware of the legal and civil actions that will be taken against him for his 'paying' you to do this?? I see from my list you don't have a PRO rating... so I know you are doing this sans any liability insurance.... which as stated above would be void anyway. Help me out here....I really do want to understand! but I would have to exit higher, which my sponsor does not want. A friend of mine does demo's with a MoJo. He exits at 1200 feet and has an open canopy within a hundred feet or so! Quote I'd like to see the video on THAT! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites spectreflyer 0 #14 September 23, 2003 I called CR and the MoJo is still available. BUT, the manufacturing time will be very long. CR manufactures the MoJo. The Ace and BJ are contracted out to PD, I think. According to CR the Ace and Blackjack were refinements to the MoJo and if I purchase a new one, it will probably be an Ace. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites spectreflyer 0 #15 September 23, 2003 Twardo, I think the post is misunderstanding me. I am not going to exit an airplane at 1200 feet. I am looking for information on different types of canopies for demos. I have used a Spectre 230, a PD-253, a GPI-245, a Spectre 170 and am just starting to jump a friend of mines, MoJo. But I haven't jumped on a demo with a MoJo. The demo I saw with the 1200msl exit had a form 7711 for his jump, but I don't know if the FAA had a official there to observe. Tell me what keeps a jumper from exiting from 1200 feet and what ramifications the pilot would suffer? The BSR's are voluntary, not mandatory! Again, I am not going to be exiting at that low of an altitude...I prefer to live to be an old jumper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bps 0 #16 September 23, 2003 Hi Spectreflyer -- I feel knowledgeable and qualified enough to give you some insight to the questions you are asking here. For my full time job, I am in charge of a large demonstration team that performs at approximately 55 skydiving demonstrations every year in front of 5 to 6 million spectators. In addition to this, I'm a very active BASE jumper who has roughly 300~ jumps on Mojo 280s, and another 180 on ACEs and Black Jacks. In short, this is my life. I'm of the opinion that a Mojo would make a good Demo canopy, but a new Ace would be an even better choice. Mojos are very nice for everything you need in a demo. They opens quickly, but not too quick. They are very stable in deep brakes and sinks great for a non-vented canopy. They recover quickly from a stalled or near-stalled configuration. The flare is nice and I've found it easy to perform stand-up landings in both cross-wind and light downwind landings which is often the case on demos. The Ace is a superior canopy. I feel its strengths lie in it's ability fly fast or fly slow -- something that's hard to achieve in a canopy. It has a higher speed than the Mojo in full flight, which can be very useful when you need it on a demo. It also flies wonderfully in half-brakes and deep brakes. I cannot compare it to other BASE canopies when I say this, but I have never flown a skydiving canopy that has the range of flight that an Ace has. (and I've flown alot of skydiving canopies for demos) You can perform flared landings from half brakes and deep brakes on an Ace and still have the ability to stand them up time and time again. (standing up is one of the most important things to do on a demo) And if it's forward speed and a little surf that you need, the Ace does it extremely well. It is based on these traits that I recommend an Ace over a Mojo for demonstration jumps. Now, on to another subject: 1,200ft openings on a demo. Unless you are a Department of Defense sanctioned team, you cannot deploy a parachute lower than 2,000ft when performing a demo from an aircraft in the United States. This is not a BSR nor a suggestion. It is the law put forth by the FAA and it is outlined in the Special Provisions of every FAA Form 7711-1 Certificate of Authorization that you receive for a parachuting demonstration. As far as getting this requirement waived, it is next to impossible. If someone were to do this on a demo, and the FAA found out about it, they are going to go after the pilot/s of the aircraft -and- they are going to go after the the person that was listed as the "Responsible Person" in Block 2 of the FAA Form 7711-2. By signing these forms, the "Responsible Person" is entering a legal binding contract with the FAA. I'm not trying to scrunch any ideas you have here, but I do want to spur some thought here: Somehow, if you were to obtain authorization for such a jump, are you qualified enough to do it? And I mean really qualified. It takes training, skill, specialized equipment, and much consideration to open at these altitudes with a reasonable degree of safety. Now, tack on the pressures that a show/performance provides, and you have alot to deal with. My recommendation is to have at least 50 to 100 demos under your belt, with some of them being very large high-pressure events. Have some BASE experience (roughly 100 jumps) under your belt. This will teach you how to make rapid decisions when opening at low altitudes. It will also teach you how to analyze ever-changing situations. Once a person has these things under their belt, they are much better qualified to take on something like a 1,200ft demo in front of a crowd. And of course, this is only if it's legal....if it's illegal, I wouldn't even think of doing it because trust me, you will not get away with it for very long (if at all). I hope this helps you somewhat, and if you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. If I don't get back to you, please be patient -- I travel every week and it may take a few days for me to get back to you. Best of Luck & Blue Skies, Bryan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 7 #17 September 24, 2003 Yup... What he said! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites leroydb 0 #18 September 25, 2003 there is a clip i saw... not sure where in the world it was... its at the end of one of the major base tapes...Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 0
spectreflyer 0 #14 September 23, 2003 I called CR and the MoJo is still available. BUT, the manufacturing time will be very long. CR manufactures the MoJo. The Ace and BJ are contracted out to PD, I think. According to CR the Ace and Blackjack were refinements to the MoJo and if I purchase a new one, it will probably be an Ace. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spectreflyer 0 #15 September 23, 2003 Twardo, I think the post is misunderstanding me. I am not going to exit an airplane at 1200 feet. I am looking for information on different types of canopies for demos. I have used a Spectre 230, a PD-253, a GPI-245, a Spectre 170 and am just starting to jump a friend of mines, MoJo. But I haven't jumped on a demo with a MoJo. The demo I saw with the 1200msl exit had a form 7711 for his jump, but I don't know if the FAA had a official there to observe. Tell me what keeps a jumper from exiting from 1200 feet and what ramifications the pilot would suffer? The BSR's are voluntary, not mandatory! Again, I am not going to be exiting at that low of an altitude...I prefer to live to be an old jumper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bps 0 #16 September 23, 2003 Hi Spectreflyer -- I feel knowledgeable and qualified enough to give you some insight to the questions you are asking here. For my full time job, I am in charge of a large demonstration team that performs at approximately 55 skydiving demonstrations every year in front of 5 to 6 million spectators. In addition to this, I'm a very active BASE jumper who has roughly 300~ jumps on Mojo 280s, and another 180 on ACEs and Black Jacks. In short, this is my life. I'm of the opinion that a Mojo would make a good Demo canopy, but a new Ace would be an even better choice. Mojos are very nice for everything you need in a demo. They opens quickly, but not too quick. They are very stable in deep brakes and sinks great for a non-vented canopy. They recover quickly from a stalled or near-stalled configuration. The flare is nice and I've found it easy to perform stand-up landings in both cross-wind and light downwind landings which is often the case on demos. The Ace is a superior canopy. I feel its strengths lie in it's ability fly fast or fly slow -- something that's hard to achieve in a canopy. It has a higher speed than the Mojo in full flight, which can be very useful when you need it on a demo. It also flies wonderfully in half-brakes and deep brakes. I cannot compare it to other BASE canopies when I say this, but I have never flown a skydiving canopy that has the range of flight that an Ace has. (and I've flown alot of skydiving canopies for demos) You can perform flared landings from half brakes and deep brakes on an Ace and still have the ability to stand them up time and time again. (standing up is one of the most important things to do on a demo) And if it's forward speed and a little surf that you need, the Ace does it extremely well. It is based on these traits that I recommend an Ace over a Mojo for demonstration jumps. Now, on to another subject: 1,200ft openings on a demo. Unless you are a Department of Defense sanctioned team, you cannot deploy a parachute lower than 2,000ft when performing a demo from an aircraft in the United States. This is not a BSR nor a suggestion. It is the law put forth by the FAA and it is outlined in the Special Provisions of every FAA Form 7711-1 Certificate of Authorization that you receive for a parachuting demonstration. As far as getting this requirement waived, it is next to impossible. If someone were to do this on a demo, and the FAA found out about it, they are going to go after the pilot/s of the aircraft -and- they are going to go after the the person that was listed as the "Responsible Person" in Block 2 of the FAA Form 7711-2. By signing these forms, the "Responsible Person" is entering a legal binding contract with the FAA. I'm not trying to scrunch any ideas you have here, but I do want to spur some thought here: Somehow, if you were to obtain authorization for such a jump, are you qualified enough to do it? And I mean really qualified. It takes training, skill, specialized equipment, and much consideration to open at these altitudes with a reasonable degree of safety. Now, tack on the pressures that a show/performance provides, and you have alot to deal with. My recommendation is to have at least 50 to 100 demos under your belt, with some of them being very large high-pressure events. Have some BASE experience (roughly 100 jumps) under your belt. This will teach you how to make rapid decisions when opening at low altitudes. It will also teach you how to analyze ever-changing situations. Once a person has these things under their belt, they are much better qualified to take on something like a 1,200ft demo in front of a crowd. And of course, this is only if it's legal....if it's illegal, I wouldn't even think of doing it because trust me, you will not get away with it for very long (if at all). I hope this helps you somewhat, and if you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. If I don't get back to you, please be patient -- I travel every week and it may take a few days for me to get back to you. Best of Luck & Blue Skies, Bryan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #17 September 24, 2003 Yup... What he said! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #18 September 25, 2003 there is a clip i saw... not sure where in the world it was... its at the end of one of the major base tapes...Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
