andrewstewart 0 #1 January 31, 2004 I read somewhere (I think it was here) that the only reason BR don't recommend the tailgate on silder up jumps is because they worried about the tailgate catching on the mesh of a mesh slider. Given that, would there be an advantage in using a sail slider with a hole (like PD use with their reserves) to allow the use of a tailgate on terminal delays? I'm not sure of the rate of incidence of a line over, slider up, and so I don't know if it would be worth it or not... Any thoughts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #2 January 31, 2004 Quote I read somewhere (I think it was here) that the only reason BR don't recommend the tailgate on silder up jumps is because they worried about the tailgate catching on the mesh of a mesh slider. You might want to just ask BR their reasoning directly. I think it's more a lack of enough field testing to recommend it than an actual problem with it. QuoteGiven that, would there be an advantage in using a sail slider with a hole (like PD use with their reserves) to allow the use of a tailgate on terminal delays? In my opinion, a small mesh slider would be a better compromise solution. Many people are using small mesh sliders with vented canopies anyway, regardless of tailgate considerations. QuoteI'm not sure of the rate of incidence of a line over, slider up, and so I don't know if it would be worth it or not... I'd guess they run somewhere around 1 in a few thousand. But being under one just once is enough argument for me to look for a solution.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BASE813 0 #3 January 31, 2004 QuoteMany people are using small mesh sliders with vented canopies anyway, regardless of tailgate considerations. Just out of interest on the vented & slider issue - I am awaiting a new canopy (Troll MDV) - I would be interested in peoples views on the small hole v large hole slider with this (or other vented) canopies. I have used large hole on non-vented at terminal with only indirect slider control and found the openings ok to deal with. Do the vents really make that much difference at terminal - and what delay do you start thinking about small hole??? As I dont think small hole is something i would like to do around the 6-9 delay?! thanks! oh and tailgate slider up - i heard someone was doing some testing on this a few months ago - any further info on findings??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwePercy 0 #4 January 31, 2004 Quote Do the vents really make that much difference at terminal - and what delay do you start thinking about small hole??? As I dont think small hole is something i would like to do around the 6-9 delay?! Yes! Big diff. On my first tour to a terminal wall i used large hole mesh on my Vtec Fox. The result; whacky and direct onheading openings. On my latest terminal trip I choose a small mesh. The result: softer openings(longer) saving neck and back. Openings, still onheading. If you choose small mesh, expose the nose center cell a quite a lot. It gives you onheading consistency. Or, you can stay hard and not grow old/soft like me. just my small, insignificant experience. // Percy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee846 0 #5 January 31, 2004 I use MDV Troll with large hole mesh slider for all delays. Than I pack my canopy slider up I roll the nose -- 3 sells for each side. I use WLO toggles and I'm not worring about line over. I made one jump with regular skydive slider (without holesI use mesh slider since that time Between two evils always pick theone never tried Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggersam 1 #6 February 1, 2004 You used a sail slider on a jump from 100m? I'm glad you're still here... Mark Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BASE813 0 #7 February 2, 2004 QuoteI made one jump with regular skydive slider (without holes - Surely this is incorrect? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lee846 0 #8 February 2, 2004 QuoteQuoteI made one jump with regular skydive slider (without holes - Surely this is incorrect? Ups!...It was little mistake in my post -- certainly I told about slider-DOWN jump. But it was sail slider and it cames up to the lines in deployment time. Between two evils always pick theone never tried Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #9 February 2, 2004 QuoteQuoteI made one jump with regular skydive slider (without holes - Surely this is incorrect? Not necessarily. A sail slider deploys slower than a mesh slider because of the air resistance. On a very short delay, there isn't much air resistance to hold the slider up yet. With minimal airspeed, the difference between a mesh and sail slider is actually fairly small. The difference becomes far more noticeable at higher (and terminal) airspeeds. I've seen people jump sail sliders as low as 500 feet. 100m seems just barely possible. I wouldn't advise it, but that doesn't mean it's not possible.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BASE813 0 #10 February 2, 2004 fuck that! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lee846 0 #11 February 2, 2004 I think it would be normal if the slider fixed on the risers or connectors on slider-down jump. I didn't do it that time. Between two evils always pick theone never tried Share this post Link to post Share on other sites andrewstewart 0 #12 February 4, 2004 QuoteNot necessarily. A sail slider deploys slower than a mesh slider because of the air resistance. On a very short delay, there isn't much air resistance to hold the slider up yet. With minimal airspeed, the difference between a mesh and sail slider is actually fairly small. That's initially counter-intuitive but then makes perfect sense. Really interesting stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 0 Go To Topic Listing
Lee846 0 #8 February 2, 2004 QuoteQuoteI made one jump with regular skydive slider (without holes - Surely this is incorrect? Ups!...It was little mistake in my post -- certainly I told about slider-DOWN jump. But it was sail slider and it cames up to the lines in deployment time. Between two evils always pick theone never tried Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #9 February 2, 2004 QuoteQuoteI made one jump with regular skydive slider (without holes - Surely this is incorrect? Not necessarily. A sail slider deploys slower than a mesh slider because of the air resistance. On a very short delay, there isn't much air resistance to hold the slider up yet. With minimal airspeed, the difference between a mesh and sail slider is actually fairly small. The difference becomes far more noticeable at higher (and terminal) airspeeds. I've seen people jump sail sliders as low as 500 feet. 100m seems just barely possible. I wouldn't advise it, but that doesn't mean it's not possible.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BASE813 0 #10 February 2, 2004 fuck that! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lee846 0 #11 February 2, 2004 I think it would be normal if the slider fixed on the risers or connectors on slider-down jump. I didn't do it that time. Between two evils always pick theone never tried Share this post Link to post Share on other sites andrewstewart 0 #12 February 4, 2004 QuoteNot necessarily. A sail slider deploys slower than a mesh slider because of the air resistance. On a very short delay, there isn't much air resistance to hold the slider up yet. With minimal airspeed, the difference between a mesh and sail slider is actually fairly small. That's initially counter-intuitive but then makes perfect sense. Really interesting stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 0
TomAiello 26 #9 February 2, 2004 QuoteQuoteI made one jump with regular skydive slider (without holes - Surely this is incorrect? Not necessarily. A sail slider deploys slower than a mesh slider because of the air resistance. On a very short delay, there isn't much air resistance to hold the slider up yet. With minimal airspeed, the difference between a mesh and sail slider is actually fairly small. The difference becomes far more noticeable at higher (and terminal) airspeeds. I've seen people jump sail sliders as low as 500 feet. 100m seems just barely possible. I wouldn't advise it, but that doesn't mean it's not possible.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee846 0 #11 February 2, 2004 I think it would be normal if the slider fixed on the risers or connectors on slider-down jump. I didn't do it that time. Between two evils always pick theone never tried Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andrewstewart 0 #12 February 4, 2004 QuoteNot necessarily. A sail slider deploys slower than a mesh slider because of the air resistance. On a very short delay, there isn't much air resistance to hold the slider up yet. With minimal airspeed, the difference between a mesh and sail slider is actually fairly small. That's initially counter-intuitive but then makes perfect sense. Really interesting stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
