bpr03 0 #1 July 17, 2004 Has anyone made B.A.S.E. jumps with crossbraced canopies ? maybe are some photos ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cpoxon 0 #2 July 17, 2004 Not recommended. See attachment from http://www.bridgeday.info/malfunctions.phpSkydiving Fatalities - Cease not to learn 'til thou cease to live Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fastpete 0 #3 July 17, 2004 why anyone wanted to that? _____________________________________________ F......ck the Finns !!! FastPete www.pete.fi email: pete@pete.fi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #4 July 18, 2004 I have video of a guy jumping a VX (or FX, not 100% sure) off the Potato Bridge. He landed it. Not pretty... but he landed it. - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #5 July 19, 2004 That's a very bad idea, unless (a) you're willing to take big risks, and (b) you really know what you're doing both with BASE and the high performance canopy. I've seen several near misses result from these attempts (as well as a few very cool jumps), and also a VX with a big tear down the middle.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TVPB 0 #6 July 19, 2004 yes - early model icarus extreme 95 - OVER WATER - back in about 1996 Marvin jumped a 74 at bridge day in 2000 too - using the hand assisted deployment. Its on various video's including Beyond Extreme Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #7 July 19, 2004 In 2002 Marvin jumped a similar canopy, using a 42" PC in a javelin reserve freebag (in the main container). He ended up losing the freebag (it wrapped the lower steel), but the system worked well.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base428 1 #8 July 19, 2004 Yep.....refer back to CPoxon's 2nd post to this thread to see the line twists he had. I believe that was Marvin. QuoteMarvin jumped a 74 at bridge day in 2000 too(c)2010 Vertical Visions. No unauthorized duplication permitted. <==For the media only Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Treejumps 0 #9 July 19, 2004 Also note that Marvin jumped a FX, not a VX. In 2000 he used a wad deployment. The freebag system worked great, and was hanging in the steel months later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2pac 6 #10 July 19, 2004 Yeah Tom, That Marvin jump looked really coooooooolwww.slobodanpad.hr www.skydiveadria.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rauk 0 #11 July 19, 2004 Correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't it be a much happier opening if you rolled it over? I know that a lot of people say, "it isn't a BASE jump if it isn't packed", but wouldn't you definitely get the thing off of there with many less problems. Not to mention put you much higher (which would help a lot, say at the potato, depending on glide rates of said canopy). I don't fly small elipticals, but hear a lot about a lot of them being very ground hungry. I would just think that say you had an end cell closed on opening, you are already low, then you have to pump the brakes, get some wicked surge down... could get REAL ugly REAL fast. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #12 July 19, 2004 I'd guess that some kind of unpacked opening would be far better than a packed opening. But, my experience with those kinds of canopies is basically nil. Note that the jump I referred to above, which resulted in a large tear down the canopy was a VX McConkey'd off the Potato State span. The lines on those canopies are apparently short enough that they can't hang below the steel, even at the center of the bridge. This one apparently opened off-heading and caught the steel, resulting in a split second hang up, then tearing free. Considering the other possibilities in that situation (hang up all day, tear the canopy so badly it can't fly, and plummet into the water), I'd say he got off cheap.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rauk 0 #13 July 19, 2004 He did get off cheap! I hadn't really considered that as a factor. Do you know if he had enough tension in the lines, or was it just so squirrely of a canopy? Also, do you know if he was jumping as far at the apex of the span as possible? (I would assume it was) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #14 July 19, 2004 QuoteHe did get off cheap! He got off not dead ... or injured. That's pretty cheap. Seriously. The height of that bridge is lower than people begin their hookturns on cross braced canopies so you run out of altitude really quick.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #15 July 19, 2004 QuoteThe height of that bridge is lower than people begin their hookturns on cross braced canopies so you run out of altitude really quick. Heck it's lower than the altitude I'd initiate a 270 on my Crossfire2 with (a non-crossbraced elliptical canopy for those who didn't know this), let alone whatever altitude you'll eat up waiting for the canopy to properly pressurize. I'm thinking that the only way to make this jump (if you were crazy enough to do it) was to land straight onto the beach or straight onto the water. But I guess there's always going to be someone who needs to try the balls'y stuff to try and make themselves stand out above everyone else. But for me highly loaded ellipticals (they don't even have to be cross-braced) are made for the skydiving swooping environment not the BASE environment (I hate to state the obvious). Dang ... I'm enjoying swooping and BASE jumping these days. You'd think I could find two safer activities to float my boat. But these are the two which seem to have me captivated at this time. Just don't fuck up right. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TVPB 0 #16 July 20, 2004 Roll over on a small elliptical???????? No it would certainly NOT be better. It would probably be a hell of a lot more fun though. The chance of line overs and uneven inflation are much greater on a rollover - especially on smaller & elliptical canopies. Wads are more reliable than rollovers (assuming they are executed properly) for one VERY obvious reason. The canopy has to change its orientation by a full 180 degrees on a rollover. The lines also have to pass untensioned by the canopy material which increases the likelihood of lineovers. Wads are more like normal deployments in that the canopy is thrown upwards (similar to the way a pilot chute would extract a canopy), the lines unstow AWAY from the canopy, and the deployment sequences continues. i.e. the WAD is more like a normal deployment except that the pilot chute / bridle stretch / container opening components of the opening sequence are eliminated. Stay Safe - Have Fun - Good Luck The above could be crap, thought provoking, useful, or . . But not personal. You decide. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rauk 0 #17 July 20, 2004 I don't think I'm familiar with a WAD. Similar to a TARD? and yes, I think it would be fun too. With the lineover issue, couldn't you somehow incorporate a tailgate device of some kind? I hear of people using tape as makeshift tailgates, maybe something like that might work here? Also, does anyone know how far down aproximately the steel reaches on the potato? Has anyone ever done any measurements (at the apex)? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #18 July 20, 2004 QuoteI don't think I'm familiar with a WAD. Similar to a TARD? Tom must be shaking his head at the youngsters right now... The WAD was an early (perhaps the original?) unpacked jump. I've been told that WAD stands for Wild Ass Deployment. I've seen video of WADs being done at Bridge Day in the way back, and once read a long description that one of those folks had posted on line. I'm pretty sure that Tom was doing WAD's years before anybody made up the name TARD. A WAD is basically a "packed" TARD. The canopy is actually folded carefully, the lines are stowed, etc. It's a lot more careful than a TARD, and hence has significantly better openings that are perhaps a tad slower.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rauk 0 #19 July 20, 2004 Where would we be without the ballsy people . I kind of look at it like this: People think skydivers are crazy, skydivers think BASE jumpers are crazy, some BASE jumpers think aerials are crazy, etc., etc., etc. I know I have freaked out one or more BASE jumpers with my antics (which were completely reasonable, really), but, different strokes for different folks. Sometimes the envelope just gets bigger. Sometimes peoples comfort zone is so different that a crazy thing to one person is just the next step for someone else. I don't know, more ranting, right? BTW, Canuck, I will be at the potato the entirity of August, so if you get up there, drop me a line. Email's best. Soft landings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rauk 0 #20 July 20, 2004 yes, us youngsters will learn, one manuever at a time. Soft landings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #21 July 20, 2004 Hey Rauk One of the lines I like from the movie Adrenaline Rush is "sometimes the greatest risk in life is not taking a risk at all". So I'm with you on the comfort level stuff. But personally I don't think jumping gear designed for high performance skydiving canopy flight in the BASE environment is all that smart. But then what do I know? I'm new to BASE and I'm not on the PST circuit either. I should be up in Potato Land at least once in August (and for the Labor Day long weekend) so I'll see you then. Are you holding off on all jumping until your move? Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base428 1 #22 July 20, 2004 Tom, are you referring to Tim H. from Brooklyn? He's probably the most well known WAD jumper, especially at Bridge Day. For a little WAD history, in late 1993 I took a "BASE Course" from Mark Hewitt at Z-Hills. I already had one BASE jump and was looking to learn more. Mark showed us the WAD at that time. I'm sure it's even older than that. QuoteTom must be shaking his head at the youngsters right now....(c)2010 Vertical Visions. No unauthorized duplication permitted. <==For the media only Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Treejumps 0 #23 July 20, 2004 Tim was shooting some video at BD 2000 if I remember correctly. He also designed some pretty cool BD t shirts. Tim had a really analytical view of jumping and had done some very detailed studies of base deployments. Ahhh, the original Wad jump. Don't forget that after he blew his Wad (jump), he then chopped, long before chopping at BD became de rigeour. Cya! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TVPB 0 #24 July 21, 2004 WAD = I did my first around 1994 or 5 - I heard of the technique but not the name. I called it the WAD -Wand assisted Deployment. The wand came from the magic that was in my hands. I waved the hand and presto - there was an inflated canopy. Not bad thinking for someone who never really got into drugs.. Using the proper technique, the WAD would open faster that a s/l and was very reliable. TARD's are fun things you do off bridges. Not recommended off cliffs. It's a Russian Roulette technique. Stay Safe - Have Fun - Good Luck The above could be crap, thought provoking, useful, or . . But not personal. You decide. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GroundZero 0 #25 July 22, 2004 We build crossed braced canopies... We build BASE canopies.... I work with both alot in manufacturing and jumping... Two different animals, two different venues. Please report your experiences... I dare not try it myself. Good luck, Chris Precision Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
