ManBird 0 #1 September 20, 2004 I have a good 100 skydives using my BASE PC pouch. I pack it in a way that makes a 32" PC easy to extract, but is rolled, which might be giving me a hesitation. This is OK on a skydive, but I'm about to go BASE this with a 36" PC. Is there is a special way that anyone packs this for BASE? Do you just do a mushroom and try to make it nice and thin, or is there something else you do? I have a 36" fine mesh ZP PC that I'll be using. I'm looking for long and thin with no mesh on the outside of the pack job, yet not so rolled or folded as to cause a hesitation or off-heading opening. Any tips?"¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicknitro71 0 #2 September 20, 2004 Shroom here with a 38". It sticks out about 1 1/2".Memento Audere Semper 903 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuickDraw 0 #3 September 20, 2004 I know its a stupid question, but are there any clues in the wingsuit for BASE pdf ? If not then it may be worth adding.. but what do i know. -- Hope you don't die. -- I'm fucking winning Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBCmac 0 #4 September 20, 2004 I shroom my Vented 38 as well, and fold the extra mesh upward to reduce how much mesh is exposed past the rip stop... I then S-fold the bridle from the base of the shroom to the base of the mesh fold... Elongating my bridle S-folds helps me get it in the pouch better and reduces the bulk. It’s still kind of a pain to put it in the pouch but I get practically instant inflation when I pitch... Also, because it's draped down like a shroom, I've never had any problems with hard pulls. Granted, to prevent hard pulls, I make sure that the vented cap, the mesh, is not in the pouch. But just like any other folding technique, I have had it work its way out of the pouch when climbing down to exit point. So now I just pay extra attention to the pc when I move to exit point. And finally, not directly related to pc folding but relevant, I dump in full flight... SBCmac BATMAN - (A.K.A. SBCmac ...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBCmac 0 #5 September 20, 2004 Your right, pc folding, is in the WS BASE pdf file that is posted... SBCmac Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBCmac 0 #6 September 20, 2004 I do everything that is shown in the pdf file except I don't roll the rip stop, I drape it down... Again, draping down the rip stop makes it harder for me to get it in the pouch but I like how fast the pc responds when I pitch it... SBCmac Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuickDraw 0 #7 September 20, 2004 I knew there was one way in there but after reading & re-reading Manbird's post, i think he may be looking for any other ways that people use. -- Hope you don't die. -- I'm fucking winning Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NathanL100 0 #8 September 21, 2004 I've found that using my base pouch is giving me awkward pulls b/c the pc handle it set too low so that my arm is at full extension when I grab the handle so I actually have to bend at the waist or lift my leg so that I can extract the pc from the pouch. Has anyone had this problem? Or has anyone moved the pouch up? I've been toying with the idea of moving the pouch or I might just start using the boc again, but I'm not sure if I'll be comfortable using the boc on a WS base. Any suggestions?Base # 942 The race is long and in the end, its only with yourself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #9 September 21, 2004 QuoteI knew there was one way in there but after reading & re-reading Manbird's post, i think he may be looking for any other ways that people use. Yes. I've always done the dill-do, but am concerned about hesitations. Then again, I'm less concerned with a hesitation than an impossipull. Early on, I had a stuck PC in the pouch on a skydive (I didn't pack that one -- I pack it every time now) and went to my reserve. These days, I do a super-neat, flat-packed dill-do. I clamp the apex while sliding in the PC. It's a paranoid PC pack job, but it's worked X-tremely well for about 90 jumps. QuoteI've found that using my base pouch is giving me awkward pulls b/c the pc handle it set too low so that my arm is at full extension when I grab the handle so I actually have to bend at the waist or lift my leg so that I can extract the pc from the pouch. Has anyone had this problem?This happened with me until I started pitching one-handed. I reach with my right hand and I'm essentially doing a big left turn with my legs, while my left wing is still extended. The position of my legs sort of automagically puts the pouch in a position that makes it easy to throw without extra bends or extensions in my body. This also keeps me flying straight with minimal altitude loss. Try it on skydives first."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBCmac 0 #10 September 22, 2004 Some Additional observations that I have made while using the BASE pc pouch, for BASE and skydiving… In all my wing suit flights with the BASE pc pouch, I have had two “impossipull”/hard pulls… Neither resulted in any mishaps, just wide eyed experiences (in other words, freaked the crap out of me …). One was the first time I used my BASE pc pouch while skydiving and the second time was the first time I used a vented 38” BASE pc with my BASE rig on a higher than normal BASE deployment (Ok it was an illegal skydive, but I was preparing for my first BASE wing suit jump …). I observed that in both cases that it had to do with my pull technique and not with the way I put my pc in the BASE pc pouch. Since the BASE pc pouch is rip stop and not spandex, I have noticed, while experimenting in the air and on the ground, that if you try to pull directly outward, at a 90 degree angle, and not down and out, you will encounter an “impossipull”/hard pull. Ever since I have made this observation and have adjusted my pull technique to pulling down and out, to work with the fact that the pc pouch does not flex with your pull like spandex does, I have never had any issues with deploying… Not to mention, since the pc that I use for BASE is vented, I make sure the vented cap is not in the BASE pc pouch before exiting… Just to avoid any issues with the mesh and the tape that makes up the vented cap… It’s just my opinion, but I really believe that pull technique is the main issue when it comes to “impossipulls”/hard pulls and less to do with folding technique. Granted, I’m not talking about people who don’t use common sense and they force a badly shroomed or folded pc into the BASE pc pouch Again, I just thought I’d throw that observation out there… SBCmac Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #11 September 22, 2004 Yeah, I pull like I'm reaching for my toe. In the case of my impossipull it was even difficult to take out on the ground. It had definitely bunched up/monkeyfisted or whatever people like to call it. OK, I've officially overthought this whole thing, but here goes... I've got my wsExtreme hooked up to the suit now. It's a really damn nice rig. Anywho, I started the PC pack job like I usually do with my 32" -- a clean, flat-packed mushroom. Rather than roll it at the end, I "stacked" each side. That is, I just folded each side into 2" zig-zags, putting each stack on either side of the center, then clamped it down. It was maybe 2" wide by an inch high in the end. It slid in easily. Doing a few practice pulls, I found that it returns to it's normal PC shape right away, just holding it in my hand. Whereas the dill-do stayed more or less rolled."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
