robibird 3 #26 October 20, 2004 hi, There is more on the way guys. The new prototype is under intensive test. The center valve is just one think which is easy to spot. In short, the new canopy from Atair is designed for the tight landing area and steep approches. (for jumps with slider up and slider down) As well the other type fo the canopy is under testing for the WS jumps too. Many new toys are coming soon from Slovenian factories ( canopyes, WS, pants, ) RegardsRobert Pecnik robert@phoenix-fly.com www.phoenix-fly.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robibird 3 #27 October 20, 2004 that is long story dude ! It takes about 4-5 years of university c'yaRobert Pecnik robert@phoenix-fly.com www.phoenix-fly.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Teixido 0 #28 October 20, 2004 Why Apex? I thought Atair has a good relationship with Morpeous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #29 October 20, 2004 QuoteWhy Apex? I thought Atair has a good relationship with Morpeous. What I meant was that Atair/Morpheus would become the second manufacturer to offer multiple canopies for specialized applications (with Apex being the first, with the Rock Dragon and Dagger).-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eipmoez 0 #30 October 20, 2004 Quotethat is long story dude ! It takes about 4-5 years of university c'ya thanks. I will never be an expert on canopy theory. But I am not afraid of physics, and you gotta read something while taking a crap or riding the bus to work . I could either read the newspaper, or try to pretend I'm reading something more useful. Eipmoez $e^{i\pi}+1=0$ how humbling, an error Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KidWicked 0 #31 October 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteStane's new prototype Troll. This canopy was designed by Stane specifically for certain parameters we needed. It definitely was not a "New Troll Prototype". It was a Hi-lift, lowspeed, low glide ratio piece of art. Nothing like a Troll. hope this helps. take care, space What canopy that is available today is most like the "new Troll prototype"? (i.e. best in situations where you don't need a lot of glide but want to be able to sink very effectively) The Rock Dragon perhaps? Or maybe even a vented (not valved) FOX? Edited to add: What someone should do (Tom?) is create a matrix that has each canopy listed on the vertical axis, and capabilities listed on the horizontal axis. The way capabilities would be measured would probably have to be relative (and subjective - unless the manufacturers will furnish data on glide ratio, and so on), but it would allow the ever growing number of canopies to be easily compared.Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pringles 0 #32 October 20, 2004 Having a canopy designed for a specific style of jump or landing area is great. However I don't think it should replace good canopy piloting. I sat in the landing area at bridge day last weekend. All I can say is wow. Just for example... If you are having problems landing your mojo or fox in a landing area like we have at bridge day. You don't need to run out and by a new canopy designed for tight landing areas. You need to hit the DZ and work on it. I guess my point is that I would hate to see people trading in their old gear thinking that they will be able to go out and jump the technical site just down the road because they now have this great new invention. Matt Davies Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robibird 3 #33 October 20, 2004 eipmonez, give me a few days and will get back to you w the list of the books which could be cool to read regardsRobert Pecnik robert@phoenix-fly.com www.phoenix-fly.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eipmoez 0 #34 October 20, 2004 Quoteeipmonez, give me a few days and will get back to you w the list of the books which could be cool to read regards Sweet, thanks! As long you don't spend too much time on it, because that would just slow down my Phoenix Pants order . $e^{i\pi}+1=0$ how humbling, an error Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wzettler 0 #35 October 20, 2004 QuoteWhat I meant was that Atair/Morpheus would become the second manufacturer to offer multiple canopies for specialized applications (with Apex being the first, with the Rock Dragon and Dagger). I had the honor of riding with Stane for the 5 hour road trip to bridge day and from what I gathered from talking with him, I got the impression that that was a direction he was exploring. (I don't want to put words in his mouth so I'll keep it as speculative on my part right now.) General: Being very new to BASE it was a real treat to pick his brain for 5 hours about BASE canopies and their flight dynamics. From what we discussed it seemed that there were many variables to canopy flight and there is somewhat of a give-and-take with maximizing performance for specific flight characteristics (ie ability to sink, glide and forward speed, etc.) with regard to specific parameters of the canopy's construction (like curve of the wing and line length)(I don't know if that makes sense the way I said it). Not just with BASE canopies but with paragliders and hang gliders as well. When we got to bridge day I felt 800 times smarter. I am also looking forward to Robi posting that book list so I can learn more. I think when Jesus said "love your enemy" he probably meant don't kill them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base736 0 #36 October 20, 2004 If you could post said list, or PM it to me as well (if your plan is to PM it), I'd sure appreciate that. I've got the physics, but a suggested reading list from you would be gold. jcooper@ucalgary.ca Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
