bshl 0 #1 January 22, 2004 I've been surfing the DZ.com classifieds and it seems like a lot of rigs have smaller reserves than mains. If you have to chop a main, going to a higher wing loading on a different kind of parachute doesn't make sense (to me). I'd rather go up a little, especially if I'm jumping at a different DZ that's already at a higher altitude than I'm used to. Then again, I'm pretty ignorant about this kind of thing... Blue skies and happy landings! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #2 January 22, 2004 You are absolutely right!But most people have bought a reserve that will match the size of their next smaller main canopy. Ken"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #3 January 22, 2004 Yeah, you'd think that...but you're forgetting the cool factor. A smaller reserve lets you get a smaller container...and everyone knows that the smaller rig you jump the cooler/better you are! "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #4 January 22, 2004 Why indeed. 170 main, 210 reserve. If i'm low, under a canopy I've never flown before, I want the biggest canopy I can get (within reason ) over my head. edit: I find it strange where people buy a new rig the smallest main canopy they feel comfortable with, and a reserve at least one size smaller. ____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #5 January 22, 2004 i don't know how many times i've said this same thing. why in the world do you want a smaller reserve than a main, and at that, you have a zp main, and then a f-111 reserve that is smaller. makes no sense at all to me. or what i really love to see is when someone has like a 135 main that they can't land, but have a 120 reserve. ok, i'm done now later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bshl 0 #6 January 22, 2004 Quoteedit: I find it strange where people buy a new rig the smallest main canopy they feel comfortable with, and a reserve at least one size smaller. My feelings exactly... Blue skies and happy landings! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blahr 0 #7 January 22, 2004 Cool Schmool. Bein dead aint all that cool I gots da great big Vector 3 V357 a 210 sq ft main and a 218 sq ft reserve. I think that shits pretty damn cool. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBCOOPER 5 #8 January 22, 2004 The industry doesn't offer to many choices.I guess they respond to the demand.Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #9 January 22, 2004 It was an interesting feeling for me when I had my beer cutaway and actualy upsized canopies in a couple of seconds. I upsized about 50square feet actualy. so yes I have a much larger reserve in my rig. it is designed for a Xfire 149 and I have a Raven Dash 218 in the thing....it's fun...very very fun..Gotta love Sunrise rigging...Henri will make you any combo you want basicly. Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicknitro71 0 #10 January 22, 2004 QuoteThe industry doesn't offer to many choices.I guess they respond to the demand Then take your business somewhere else. I jump a 150 reserve and a 105 main. There are manufactures out there that can and will accomodate such needs and others that don't...Memento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #11 January 22, 2004 Because its cool to have a small rig...And that mean you need a small reserve. BTW my reserve is bigger than my main. PD113 baby. But I have had it since I was stupid. (1995). My nest reserve will be bigger even though the PD113 flew great on all my 6(?) rides."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miami 0 #12 January 22, 2004 Bet there would be much fewer incidents if everyone thought this way, and stuck to it. One thing to keep in mind though...most reserves have very few, if any, jumps on them. An F-111 canopy like that will actually fly quite well, somewhat similar to a zp canopy of the same build. They don't front riser as well, but the lift isn't bad. On a side note, I upsize about 42 sq/ft when I chop, and my reserve is zp (topskin anyway).Miami Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBCOOPER 5 #13 January 22, 2004 They're starting to do some.Seems mostly in the what I consider the real small mains.I jump a 150 main and I can't think of any containers that would take a 45 square foot larger reserve.Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicknitro71 0 #14 January 22, 2004 The Wings will do it.Memento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBCOOPER 5 #15 January 23, 2004 Thats a lot more obvious now that they updated their web site.When I was looking last year......Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #16 January 23, 2004 Quote The industry doesn't offer to many choices.I guess they respond to the demand. That is one of the reasons I like Infinty's so much. They have all sorts of container sizes that allow for a bigger reserve. Nothing pisses me off more when I certain manufacture calls our clients and tells them they should get the next smaller reserve because they can have a smaller container if they do. Then I have a long phone call ahead of me trying to keep them safe! I always reccomend buying a reserve at least one size bigger then your main. I jump 135's and have a 150 reserve. SOmething about trying to stay alive appeals to me.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Praetorian 1 #17 January 23, 2004 Read the army and PD reports on two squares out, smaller reserves make it far more likely that you will get a biplane or a side by side that resolves to a biplane (smaller square behind larger main) Larger behind smaller leads to a side by side which will not resolve to a biplane and side by sides are much riskier then a biplane, they can entangle or form a down plane close to the ground. That having been said (and proven) I would like as large a reserve as I can get especially if my AAD opened it cuz I'm unconscious.. imagine an uncontroled landing under a 113 reserve, thats gonna hurt better then no chute at all ... but still not something I ever wanna try Good Judgment comes from experience...a lot of experience comes from bad judgment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bsoder 0 #18 January 23, 2004 230 main, 282 reserve for me. If I have to cut and then deal with the nerves, etc afterwards, I'd rather have it be easier to land, not harder. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #19 January 23, 2004 QuoteBet there would be much fewer incidents if everyone thought this way, and stuck to it. Doubt it. Most incidents (fatalities) happen under mains. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Synapse 0 #20 January 23, 2004 I've been a little concerned about this ever since getting my rig and this is seems like a good time to ask some questions. I've got a Javelin Odyssey, size J4K (up to 190 main and 176 reserve), which means that I seem to fall into the category you guys are talking about. Since I was buying used I couldn't order the J4.5K harness, which could hold a slightly larger reserve and main, so I went with this. I'm planning on jumping a 190 main @ a 1:1 wing loading in the rig, so the loading on the PD176 reserve would be about 1.08:1. Any advice on how major of a concern this should be with these wing loadings? FYI: I currently have 25 jumps all made on a 220 sq. ft. main. The plan is to jump a 210 for a while on my next few jumps (~25) and then after (or possibly during) the Flight-1 canopy control class coming up in Feb. moving down to a 190. At first I plan on using rental gear with a 190 main and a larger reserve than what my rig has until I feel pretty confident on that size... hopefully that way going down to a 176 won't blow my mind. Also since I don't have a main for the thing yet I can't really rush the process. -synThey who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityGirl 0 #21 January 23, 2004 QuoteI've been a little concerned about this ever since getting my rig and this is seems like a good time to ask some questions. I've got a Javelin Odyssey, size J4K (up to 190 main and 176 reserve), which means that I seem to fall into the category you guys are talking about. Since I was buying used I couldn't order the J4.5K harness, which could hold a slightly larger reserve and main, so I went with this. I'm planning on jumping a 190 main @ a 1:1 wing loading in the rig, so the loading on the PD176 reserve would be about 1.08:1. Any advice on how major of a concern this should be with these wing loadings? FYI: I currently have 25 jumps all made on a 220 sq. ft. main. The plan is to jump a 210 for a while on my next few jumps (~25) and then after (or possibly during) the Flight-1 canopy control class coming up in Feb. moving down to a 190. At first I plan on using rental gear with a 190 main and a larger reserve than what my rig has until I feel pretty confident on that size... hopefully that way going down to a 176 won't blow my mind. Also since I don't have a main for the thing yet I can't really rush the process. -syn IMHO the PD176r is a fine compliment to the 190 main you have. If you are pushing the envelope with the 190, I would say otherwise. But the PD176r flies more like a 185, lets say. If you are comfortable on the 190 and not loading it heavily, I THINK you will be comfortable on the 176r. For the last few years, Gravity Gear has hosted a seminar called, "Flying the Reserve" with the help of Performance Designs. Everyone on the DZ got to fly the size reserve they own, or wanted to downsize to. We have two people actually upsize as a result of these events. But mostly people walk away feeling more confident in their reserve canopy and their own ability to pilot it. In fact I still get "Thank you"s after reserve rides on a regular basis. Flying the reserve in a low stress situation makes it a piece of cake when it is time for the real deal. If you have the opportunity to demo a PD176r. Go for it! PM me and I'll give you some drills to practice when you fly it. By the way. PD reserves ROCK! Over. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #22 January 23, 2004 I lean towards the uncool factor.. my reserve is larger than my main.. and I like it that way.. I have a really big reserve that I am hoping I dont have to use. BUT if I do have to use it I have flown one that was fitted as a main.. I know I could probably survive landing under it at a 1 to 1 WL and with the brakes stowed and be totally unconscious. Alot of people have commented on how big my container is.. it still does not stop me from freeflying and going really fast. I like knowing my huge reserve is right there in my huge Infinity just waiting for when I REALLLLY need it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #23 January 23, 2004 QuoteThey're starting to do some.Seems mostly in the what I consider the real small mains.I jump a 150 main and I can't think of any containers that would take a 45 square foot larger reserve. Did you read my post???? Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grosfion 0 #24 January 23, 2004 I have a video from a friend who chopped his 88 ft main and pulled his 150 reserve during he was still spinning (did not have the time to get stable). He spend most of his reserve ride to get out of the line twists. Everyone who has seen the video understands why he does not want to downsize his reserve. I agree with him blues Marcus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nbblood 0 #25 January 23, 2004 PM sent NathanBlues, Nathan If you wait 'til the last minute, it'll only take a minute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
