Being stealth (at warm objects)

[Skydawg 0]

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BASE jumpers are easy to spot because they always . . . ?

call skydivers "whuffos"
dressed in Cammo.
Lasing everything above a 100'.
having cypres fires.
getting up at 3am.
used to being constantly shocked by static electricity.
got the legs in a cast.
sold all their skydiving rigs.

[hookitt 1]

That's a good one Chad

My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto

[RayLosli 11]

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BASE jumpers are easy to spot because they always . . . ?
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.> You are all wrong .<

BASE jumpers are the ones that are always Hiking up to the top on
those lovely and well policed NPS Big-Walls, just before Dark.

And every other Geek Hiker that passes Him going down asks him the Same Stupid Question.

.... "Do you have a Flashlight with you to see to Hike Down !... It's going to be Dark soon."....

The BASE Jumper is always the one breathing hard, with the Cigarette hanging out of his mouth.
and running behind schedule.... Who Always Answers.....

..." No...but I don't need a Flashlight... I will not be Hiking down.... Thank You."...
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[TomAiello 26]

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BASE jumpers are the ones that are always Hiking up to the top on
those lovely and well policed NPS Big-Walls, just before Dark.

And every other Geek Hiker that passes Him going down asks him the Same Stupid Question.

.... "Do you have a Flashlight with you to see to Hike Down !... It's going to be Dark soon."....

The BASE Jumper is always the one breathing hard, with the Cigarette hanging out of his mouth.
and running behind schedule.... Who Always Answers.....

..." No...but I don't need a Flashlight... I will not be Hiking down.... Thank You."...
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I believe the line is "no, we've got all the gear we need. Don't worry about us."

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
SnakeRiverBASE.com

[base428 1]

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Conspiracy?

You betcha they'll attempt to charge you with Conspiracy. History shows us from this old post:

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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA VS. AVERY BADENHOP (1999)
The Government had charged me (Avery Badenhop) with Aiding and Abetting and Illegal Aerial Delivery, additionally, I was charged with Conspiracy, apparently for my involvement with planning the protest.
Initially, Dan Horner, an NPS criminal investigator contacted me by e-mail back in August of this year. The premise of the e-mail was about a rumor that there was going to be a mass protest jump in Yosemite, following the death of Frank Gambalie III at the hands of the NPS in June. At that time I had no involvement whatsoever with any plan to protest in Yosemite. NPS officials were aware of my standing in the BASE community, and sought me out as a go between the jumpers and the government. I did agree to take on the task. At that point, in privacy, I contacted various factions of BASE jumpers, to get the scoup on the mass jump. I was able to quell that situation, in exchange for a more structured one. I did inform the NPS that a protest, including jumps from El Capitan would take place on October 22, 1999. They did participate in the planning, and coordination of that protest. This was a protest of NPS policy, a policy of refusing to give permits to us, so we may jump from the cliffs in the National Parks.
On the day of the protest, NPS officials did indeed set up a landing area for us in El Cap Meadow, and even went as far as placing an autographed ranger hat on the center of a target. In our negotiations, the NPS seemed sure that we would not be able to control our landings as well as we said. I am a National Champion in BASE Accuracy, and assured them I could nail the bulls-eye. I was to be the last jumper off El Cap that day, but my opportunity did not materialize. The first three jumps went without any glitches, all three jumpers, Henry Boger, Joe Weber, and Mick Knutson all landed in the designated landing area. The fourth jumper, Jan Davis then jumped, but failed to deploy her parachute. She died as a result. We did not ever contend that BASE is a safe sport, we contend that it is dangerous, but we have a right to participate in the sport nevertheless. I did not jump, I walked back off the mountain. My parachute was confiscated. The three men who jumped were charged with Illegal Aerial Delivery, and Conspiracy. Their gear was confiscated, they were cited and released, as per agreement previously by the NPS.

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[jalisco 0]

Not a lawyer, but I think lawrocket was just saying that it takes two people (or more) in collusion in order for there to be a "conspiracy" charge.

If you go there all by yourself, and no one else worked with you to develop a plan to get you there and/or jump, then you wouldn't expect there be any conspiracy charge. However, there could still be an "intent" charge (presumably).

[base428 1]

And I agree with both you and lawrocket. However, I was simply posting some info I found that related to my original post about being charged with conspiracy to commit aerial delivery. I'm not sure about there having to be two people for conspiracy (I'm not a lawyer), but if you read the definition of conspiracy, it doesn't mention anything about two or more. Maybe the law books define it as such. I'm sure the NPS defines it however they please.

Anyway, at least we now know the NPS has used the conspiracy charge in the past.

[/end NPS rant]

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Not a lawyer, but I think lawrocket was just saying that it takes two people (or more) in collusion in order for there to be a "conspiracy" charge.

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[lawrocket 3]

A criminal conspiracy occurs when two or more people commit to just about any illegal act, and then take a step towards its completion.

So if you and Snuffy decide to jump El Cap (I know, site naming) and you head to Yosemite with your rigs, you may have a conspiracy. If you hike up to an exit point, you probably will be guilty of a conspiracy. If you invite the press to cover it, then you KNOW there is a conspiracy.

If you guys back out of making a jump because winds are wrong, there is STILL a conspiracy.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[DexterBase 1]

I DID jump ElCap with one other person and got busted. We didn't get charged with conspiracy.

Maybe if we hadn't jumped we would have been charged with conspiracy since they'd want us to get in trouble for something.

So what's the worse of the two? If conspiracy is a felony, you're better off jumping. Seems funny if conspiracy to commit a misdameanor equals a felony.




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[pope 0]

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A criminal conspiracy occurs when two or more people commit to just about any illegal act, and then take a step towards its completion.

Does that mean everyone who gets in a car with me can also get a ticket for "conspiracy to drive over the speed limit?"

But "they" have to be able to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" your INTENT, don't they? Having an unpacked rig in the car when you drive through the valley isn't a crime, is it? Which begs another question for you lawyer types:

hypothetical situation:

I make an illegal BASE jump. I land, take whatever evasive actions are necessary, and make it to the vehicle with my gear undetected. As I'm driving away from the area, at some point I get pulled over. The [ahem] "law enforcement" officer asks if I've seen any BASE jumps/parachutes/whatever, and let's say somehow ends up searching my car. As I get out of the car I'm thinking "great--there goes my gear...he's SURE to find a full stash bag in the car!"

What are my rights here? Firstly, it's always seemed to me that if there was a witness to an "illegal" BASE jump, then there would be some beta on the canopy color, right? So is there any way to ask the cop/ranger/MP/whatever specifically what he's looking for? "Oh--you're looking for a parachute, officer? What colors? It seems like if _before_ he searches your car, you can get him to be specific about what he's looking for, and he's wrong, (eg: he's looking for a blue and black canopy and the one in your car is red and black) then you're potentially off the hook when it goes to court--

Also--what are the laws concerning videoing your run-ins with police? Do they have to consent to being filmed or recorded? Could I just throw my camcorder on the dash and let it run, even if it's just for the audio? Would it be admissable in court as evidence when the ranger/cop/MP/whatever spews his bold-faced lies about me, the fine, upstanding citizen that I am??

[freakydiver 0]

"Transition from boxman to a track while walking down supermarket aisles (while making a whooshing air sound)?

I really have done that.

i was hard up for some jumptime what can i say

-- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

[freakydiver 0]

My apartment got ripped off - we caught the theif a few blox away and taped the whole thing. The denver pd didn't care. Interesting tape...

-- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

[lawrocket 3]

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Does that mean everyone who gets in a car with me can also get a ticket for "conspiracy to drive over the speed limit?"

No. Of course, maybe my wife nagging me to drive faster would be.

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But "they" have to be able to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" your INTENT, don't they?

Yes.

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Having an unpacked rig in the car when you drive through the valley isn't a crime, is it?

No.

As to your hypo - I could write a book of several volumes on your rights.

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what are the laws concerning videoing your run-ins with police? Do they have to consent to being filmed or recorded? Could I just throw my camcorder on the dash and let it run, even if it's just for the audio? Would it be admissable in court as evidence when the ranger/cop/MP/whatever spews his bold-faced lies about me, the fine, upstanding citizen that I am??

I have no idea, but it seems to me it would be okay, maybe even fun, to do so.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[sum1sneaky 0]

I hate to beat a dead horse about the cammo situation... but here it goes:

Assuming people in my area don't normally walk around wearing cammo, I understand the risk of being confronted while wearing full NAT-Gear and cammo'd rig... however, I am the sort of person who isn't too keen on being confronted! The only way I'm going to be seen wearing anything, is if I'm seen in the first place!

There are some objects were cammo will make you stand out, and others where it's your only hope of NOT BEING SEEN.

In my opinion, the objects where you have to army crawl in full cammo for several hundered yards, amongst guards and high security, are far more entertaining than those where you just mingle with the general public or hope your display goes undetected.

All I am saying is that cammo has it's place in BASE jumping!