nicknitro71 0 #1 April 8, 2005 This is a must see: http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?a ction=file&id=2145 Memento Audere Semper 903 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DexterBase 1 #2 April 8, 2005 Yes, this is really touching. Hard to watch, like a movie you know doesn't have a happy ending, but is a nice tribute. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #3 April 8, 2005 There's a space in your link. It should be http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=2145 Dave Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JaapSuter 0 #4 April 8, 2005 Please do correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it is Slim who, at the end of the ABA 2003 video, shoots Dwain's ashes with a potato gun for one last jump? Shortly after, you can see Slim limp to the edge and jump off too. I highly recommend getting a hold of this footage. Not only for this incredible scene, but also for Dwain's "roll the dice" speech he makes right before doing a gnarly jump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blitzkrieg 0 #5 April 9, 2005 AWESOME! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JoeyRamone 0 #6 April 9, 2005 Great video, I am sorry for the loss of your friend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #7 April 9, 2005 QuotePlease do correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it is Slim who, at the end of the ABA 2003 video, shoots Dwain's ashes with a potato gun for one last jump? You are correct.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cesslon 0 #8 April 10, 2005 Awesome video what actually causes such a violent off heading opening ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JaapSuter 0 #9 April 10, 2005 QuoteWhat actually causes such a violent off heading opening? Off the top of my head, one or more of the following: Assymetry in the pack job Unstable or assymetrical body position during deployment Pilot-chute oscillations, pulling the canopy to one side during the opening, or inducing a spin during the opening (creating line-twist and/or an offheading). These oscillations are caused by the pitch, the wind, substandard pilot-chute quality, or some unknown random factor. Wind factors. Cross winds can easily induce a spin into the canopy during opening. Blown toggles. Although the three I've done -slider down on purpose- can not be categorized as violent. Chaos theory; any sufficiently complicated process has variables beyond human control. Throw a bunch of lines and fabric in a high velocity and incredibly turbulent airflow, detailed predictions become impossible. The shit happens factor. Somewhat in line with the chaos theory factor, but it just stresses that you can do everything right and still get the most violent offheading opening. The debate on how much these factors come into play is ongoing. I have the impression that beginners like myself tend to overrate the effect of a symmetrical packjob, and end up with excessive origami-ing just to have less gear fear. Some experienced people will tell you that as long as the gist of the packjob is symmetrical, body-position and crosswinds become significantly more important. Obviously, that's not an excuse for sloppy packjobs. I may have forgotten some factors, but other people will hopefully correct me. Cheers, Jaap Share this post Link to post Share on other sites leroydb 0 #10 April 10, 2005 well said young jediLeroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 460 0 #11 April 10, 2005 This video is truly inspirational. Good job Ray and others who put it together. Watching Slim and crew jump is like watching the Harlem Globetrotters in action. extremely skilled, lighthearted, and humorous. There is some education that comes from watching Slim's wall strike from the 250 foot cliff in 2001. Notice how much time he wastes reaching for toggles, all the while he could have been reaching for rear risers. In case of imminent object strike, the rule is to go for rear risers in case whatever is below you is not more dangerous than the object itself.Looks like a death sandwich without the bread - Steve Deadman Morrell, BASE 174 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DexterBase 1 #12 April 10, 2005 Slim was always really fast on his toggles. The problem in the jump on the video is that he missed the toggle going for it the first time. I'm not familiar with the jump on the video, but there are certain times where a riser turn will put you low enough that you will have to land in some shitty terrain. Sometimes on underhung cliffs, a riser 180 can drop you right into the wall below you. Your EP's should take all this into consideration. I think Slim said that if he would have had stiffy toggle he proabbly would have been able to get that turned around in time. I think the real lesson here is: if you're not already jumping stiffy toggles, get them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nicrussell 0 #13 April 10, 2005 Thak You for the link. The video is amazing, and is absolutely inspiring. We'll miss you buddy!!! Fly Safe. -Nic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ZegeunerLeben 0 #14 April 11, 2005 >>To me it looks like a high-risk situation; a short G&T or 1sec delay off a cliff. If you watch the shoreline when he jumps, you can see a slight rotation to the left, resulting in a 180 left into the face. Perhaps from dipping a shoulder, the same thing that bit Jeb. In any event, it doesn't look to me like he got enough object seperation on that short delay to recover. What I personally learned from that incident is that body position on short delay solid object jumps is critical, and I'm not good enough to do it yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jasmin 0 #15 April 11, 2005 This was Jimmy's take on it, him having been the only person (still alive) that was actually there- "he should've gone for risers."xj "I wouldn't recommend picking a fight with the earth...but then I wouldn't recommend picking a fight with a car either, and that's having tried both." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDaemon 0 #16 April 11, 2005 "I was going to hit that cliff with my hands on toggles or my hands on risers. I went for toggles." --Slim in a conversation with Raistlin in Portland during his visit in 2003. -=Raistlinfind / -name jumpers -print; cat jumpers $USER > manifest; cd /dev/airplane; more altitude; make jump; cd /pub; more beer; Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 0
JoeyRamone 0 #6 April 9, 2005 Great video, I am sorry for the loss of your friend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #7 April 9, 2005 QuotePlease do correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it is Slim who, at the end of the ABA 2003 video, shoots Dwain's ashes with a potato gun for one last jump? You are correct.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cesslon 0 #8 April 10, 2005 Awesome video what actually causes such a violent off heading opening ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JaapSuter 0 #9 April 10, 2005 QuoteWhat actually causes such a violent off heading opening? Off the top of my head, one or more of the following: Assymetry in the pack job Unstable or assymetrical body position during deployment Pilot-chute oscillations, pulling the canopy to one side during the opening, or inducing a spin during the opening (creating line-twist and/or an offheading). These oscillations are caused by the pitch, the wind, substandard pilot-chute quality, or some unknown random factor. Wind factors. Cross winds can easily induce a spin into the canopy during opening. Blown toggles. Although the three I've done -slider down on purpose- can not be categorized as violent. Chaos theory; any sufficiently complicated process has variables beyond human control. Throw a bunch of lines and fabric in a high velocity and incredibly turbulent airflow, detailed predictions become impossible. The shit happens factor. Somewhat in line with the chaos theory factor, but it just stresses that you can do everything right and still get the most violent offheading opening. The debate on how much these factors come into play is ongoing. I have the impression that beginners like myself tend to overrate the effect of a symmetrical packjob, and end up with excessive origami-ing just to have less gear fear. Some experienced people will tell you that as long as the gist of the packjob is symmetrical, body-position and crosswinds become significantly more important. Obviously, that's not an excuse for sloppy packjobs. I may have forgotten some factors, but other people will hopefully correct me. Cheers, Jaap Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #10 April 10, 2005 well said young jediLeroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
460 0 #11 April 10, 2005 This video is truly inspirational. Good job Ray and others who put it together. Watching Slim and crew jump is like watching the Harlem Globetrotters in action. extremely skilled, lighthearted, and humorous. There is some education that comes from watching Slim's wall strike from the 250 foot cliff in 2001. Notice how much time he wastes reaching for toggles, all the while he could have been reaching for rear risers. In case of imminent object strike, the rule is to go for rear risers in case whatever is below you is not more dangerous than the object itself.Looks like a death sandwich without the bread - Steve Deadman Morrell, BASE 174 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DexterBase 1 #12 April 10, 2005 Slim was always really fast on his toggles. The problem in the jump on the video is that he missed the toggle going for it the first time. I'm not familiar with the jump on the video, but there are certain times where a riser turn will put you low enough that you will have to land in some shitty terrain. Sometimes on underhung cliffs, a riser 180 can drop you right into the wall below you. Your EP's should take all this into consideration. I think Slim said that if he would have had stiffy toggle he proabbly would have been able to get that turned around in time. I think the real lesson here is: if you're not already jumping stiffy toggles, get them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicrussell 0 #13 April 10, 2005 Thak You for the link. The video is amazing, and is absolutely inspiring. We'll miss you buddy!!! Fly Safe. -Nic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZegeunerLeben 0 #14 April 11, 2005 >>To me it looks like a high-risk situation; a short G&T or 1sec delay off a cliff. If you watch the shoreline when he jumps, you can see a slight rotation to the left, resulting in a 180 left into the face. Perhaps from dipping a shoulder, the same thing that bit Jeb. In any event, it doesn't look to me like he got enough object seperation on that short delay to recover. What I personally learned from that incident is that body position on short delay solid object jumps is critical, and I'm not good enough to do it yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jasmin 0 #15 April 11, 2005 This was Jimmy's take on it, him having been the only person (still alive) that was actually there- "he should've gone for risers."xj "I wouldn't recommend picking a fight with the earth...but then I wouldn't recommend picking a fight with a car either, and that's having tried both." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDaemon 0 #16 April 11, 2005 "I was going to hit that cliff with my hands on toggles or my hands on risers. I went for toggles." --Slim in a conversation with Raistlin in Portland during his visit in 2003. -=Raistlinfind / -name jumpers -print; cat jumpers $USER > manifest; cd /dev/airplane; more altitude; make jump; cd /pub; more beer; Share this post Link to post Share on other sites