crzjp20 0 #1 Posted February 3, 2004 OK so i know i am stupid newbie and you old guys get alot of these type post so.... i know..... anyways, i am seeing alot of these contaners floating around on the used side of gear. I was wondering what you guys have experienced with these containers. I have found one with only a 124 jumps on it cause the guy who owned had to stop jumping for some reason. So it looks to be in good shape but i dont really aheva clue about the quality of the product since i am basically clueless.... so... help... please....-------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #2 February 3, 2004 Look for something else. There is a good chance it is not TSO'ed for a square reserve. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blahr 0 #3 February 3, 2004 Thats pretty out of date too. I bought a Wonderhog in 1994 and it was 14 years old at that time and everyone was jumping Vector 2's The Wonderhog was the predecessor of the Vector, which was followed by the Vector 2, and then the Vector 3 and then the Vector 3 M and Micron. They are likely to be nearly 25 years old, not set up for AAD's, and from some of the threads I've seen, some riggers might refuse to do repacks on them due to their age. You will also likely get teased a lot about the age of your gear. I know I did and yet another 10 years have passed since then. I bought a new Vector 3 M a couple months ago and had them put the Wonderhog logo on the ring cover to remind me of my old rig Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #4 February 3, 2004 Of course the current Vectors are still built on the Wonderhog TSO. The harnesses, last I looked, are still labeled Wonderhog. So, you might be talking about a new container that is one of the newer models listed above rather than actually being a Wonderhog model. If it is an old Wonderhog it will have two pins on the reserve cable, and all the comments above apply.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crzjp20 0 #5 February 4, 2004 Just thought i would trow these pics up they are of the rig itself so this is it....-------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #6 February 4, 2004 Where are the pics? tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #7 February 4, 2004 QuoteWhere are the pics? Yeah what he said.. I want to buy a really sweet Wonderhog the earlier the model the better. I have my reasons.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crzjp20 0 #8 February 4, 2004 ok attempt number 2....-------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites karenmeal 0 #9 February 4, 2004 Jeanne: I've got one you can have for cheap!!!! Its older than I am... and I learned to freefly in it I'll probably be at snohomish on sunday... "Life is a temporary victory over the causes which induce death." - Sylvester Graham Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Blahr 0 #10 February 4, 2004 Quote ok attempt number 2.... Thats not a Wonderhog. Its a Vector Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #11 February 4, 2004 The pictures look like a Wonderhog Vector I, a decent container, but the one in the picture looks pretty tired. Vector I was extremely popular during its 1981 to 1988 production run. In 1988 it was replaced by the Vector II which contained only minor improvements. The name confusion is caused by the fact that Relative Workshop is one of the few skydiving factories that has been in business for 30 years straight! The FAA has allowed them to manufacture the latest Sigma Tandem (with exit weights approaching 1,000 pounds) under same TSO-C23B certification as the original Wonderhog. Don't worry, RWS has done thousands of drop tests in the interim to stay ahead of the pack, and RWS President Bill Booth tends to be the one writing the standards (i.e. 1998 standard on 3-Ring risers) for the rest of the industry. Ask your rigger to look over the three major points: reserve pilotchute, reserve container corners and hip joints. The problem with Vector I reserve pilotchutes was that their springs were not very strong. Most Vector I reserve pilotchutes were replaced by Vector II reserve pilotchutes long ago, in fact I have only seen one Vector I pilotchute in the last decade. Secondly, the lower corners of the reserve container tend to slowly tear. The patching process takes a few hours. Thirdly, there is a Service Bulletin about hip joint stitching - specifically on Tandem Vectors - that conscienceous riggers inspect on all rigs from all manufacturers. The fix is a quick over-stitch, but it requires a huge Class 7 sewing machine, normally found only in the better lofts. Some posters will call Vector Is obsolete because of all their Velcro. I say, ask your local rigger to replace any tired Velcro and skydive your a** off. I did about 50 jumps last year on my Vector I, mostly PFF and video. Last year I updated it with a BOC and bridle cover. This week I will update it with Vector II pin covers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crzjp20 0 #12 February 4, 2004 ok great Thanks for the info, an one else????-------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AndyMan 7 #13 February 4, 2004 Well, you have to decide if you want to jump gear that is at least 16 years old. You can get good used gear relatively easily if you keep your eyes open. Have you gone through the dz.com clasifieds? I bet you'd be able to find something a lot newer for whats still a good price. Would I jump it? Assuming its in good shape, sure. I've jumped gear over 30 years old. Would I buy it? Personally, I like newer gear. Is it set up for a Cypres? You may need to have a rigger modify it to accept one. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #14 February 4, 2004 Especially since there are a good deal of Vector II's out there as well as some Talon 2s and some decent Javs. This is your life, don't try to save a couple bucks.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crzjp20 0 #15 February 4, 2004 ok saying that do you think something like a vector II or a talon would be a wiser move? Or if i have him ship me this thing down here and have my rigger check it out? Sorry for al lthe questions but i am new and stupid, must learn... need knowledge... must... have... knowledge....... ahh... ok so.... opinions sugestions, anything ill take it. Blue Skys-------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #16 February 4, 2004 Ok. For one, I am NOT a rigger, I'm just a jumper. I'd highly suggest looking for something else if its an original Wonderhog. There are plenty of good deals on modern gear out there. Talk to your instructors, your rigger or your S&TA to help you find something that will fit your needs.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AndyMan 7 #17 February 4, 2004 Most definately something newer would be a smarter choice. Whatever you buy, make sure it gets checked by your local rigger. This is not a sport where its wise to penny pinch while choosing gear. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 102 #18 February 4, 2004 The Wonderhog was the hot setup back when I started-I'd jump that in a heartbeat. Anyoe wanting nostalgia should get it by jumping old containers, not old - round canopies But, you should consider the realistic amount of money you will pay to a rigger to do a few modifications/updates, do you have a rigger that is capable of doing this? Do the math yourself, I can understand jumping on a limited budget. I started on an original version Sweethog. That thing was crude and ugly compared to an original Wonderhog. Also, this may be a 2-reserve riser setup. You need 4 risers for a sq reserve (a couple of reserves were TSO tested with 2-risers, but you don't want to do it). My local rigger made a set of 14 inch risers to attach to the harness at the L-bar link. The original 2-reserve risers were so short that the toggles were easy to reach. This was such a good way to get 4 risers out of an old rig. It also helped that I jumped where the rigs were made (Northern Lite-now Velocity Sports/Infinity).People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumpwally 0 #19 February 7, 2004 Hey ,,i'll buy the rig for my bar as a museum piece,,e-mail me what ya want for it. wallysmile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 102 #20 February 7, 2004 QuoteHey ,,i'll buy the rig for my bar as a museum piece, You mean you want my old Sweethog? Sorry, it was trashed.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jordan82 0 #21 May 19, 2022 Is there a sizing chart for the old vector 2’s? mine says “wonderhog harness type: II-K” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryBaumchen 1,363 #22 May 19, 2022 8 minutes ago, Jordan82 said: Is there a sizing chart for the old vector 2’s? mine says “wonderhog harness type: II-K” Hi Jordan, For the best answer, try here: United Parachute Technologies - Skydiving Harness & Container Systems (uptvector.com) Jerry Baumchen 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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crzjp20 0 #8 February 4, 2004 ok attempt number 2....-------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
karenmeal 0 #9 February 4, 2004 Jeanne: I've got one you can have for cheap!!!! Its older than I am... and I learned to freefly in it I'll probably be at snohomish on sunday... "Life is a temporary victory over the causes which induce death." - Sylvester Graham Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blahr 0 #10 February 4, 2004 Quote ok attempt number 2.... Thats not a Wonderhog. Its a Vector Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #11 February 4, 2004 The pictures look like a Wonderhog Vector I, a decent container, but the one in the picture looks pretty tired. Vector I was extremely popular during its 1981 to 1988 production run. In 1988 it was replaced by the Vector II which contained only minor improvements. The name confusion is caused by the fact that Relative Workshop is one of the few skydiving factories that has been in business for 30 years straight! The FAA has allowed them to manufacture the latest Sigma Tandem (with exit weights approaching 1,000 pounds) under same TSO-C23B certification as the original Wonderhog. Don't worry, RWS has done thousands of drop tests in the interim to stay ahead of the pack, and RWS President Bill Booth tends to be the one writing the standards (i.e. 1998 standard on 3-Ring risers) for the rest of the industry. Ask your rigger to look over the three major points: reserve pilotchute, reserve container corners and hip joints. The problem with Vector I reserve pilotchutes was that their springs were not very strong. Most Vector I reserve pilotchutes were replaced by Vector II reserve pilotchutes long ago, in fact I have only seen one Vector I pilotchute in the last decade. Secondly, the lower corners of the reserve container tend to slowly tear. The patching process takes a few hours. Thirdly, there is a Service Bulletin about hip joint stitching - specifically on Tandem Vectors - that conscienceous riggers inspect on all rigs from all manufacturers. The fix is a quick over-stitch, but it requires a huge Class 7 sewing machine, normally found only in the better lofts. Some posters will call Vector Is obsolete because of all their Velcro. I say, ask your local rigger to replace any tired Velcro and skydive your a** off. I did about 50 jumps last year on my Vector I, mostly PFF and video. Last year I updated it with a BOC and bridle cover. This week I will update it with Vector II pin covers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crzjp20 0 #12 February 4, 2004 ok great Thanks for the info, an one else????-------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #13 February 4, 2004 Well, you have to decide if you want to jump gear that is at least 16 years old. You can get good used gear relatively easily if you keep your eyes open. Have you gone through the dz.com clasifieds? I bet you'd be able to find something a lot newer for whats still a good price. Would I jump it? Assuming its in good shape, sure. I've jumped gear over 30 years old. Would I buy it? Personally, I like newer gear. Is it set up for a Cypres? You may need to have a rigger modify it to accept one. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #14 February 4, 2004 Especially since there are a good deal of Vector II's out there as well as some Talon 2s and some decent Javs. This is your life, don't try to save a couple bucks.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crzjp20 0 #15 February 4, 2004 ok saying that do you think something like a vector II or a talon would be a wiser move? Or if i have him ship me this thing down here and have my rigger check it out? Sorry for al lthe questions but i am new and stupid, must learn... need knowledge... must... have... knowledge....... ahh... ok so.... opinions sugestions, anything ill take it. Blue Skys-------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #16 February 4, 2004 Ok. For one, I am NOT a rigger, I'm just a jumper. I'd highly suggest looking for something else if its an original Wonderhog. There are plenty of good deals on modern gear out there. Talk to your instructors, your rigger or your S&TA to help you find something that will fit your needs.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #17 February 4, 2004 Most definately something newer would be a smarter choice. Whatever you buy, make sure it gets checked by your local rigger. This is not a sport where its wise to penny pinch while choosing gear. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #18 February 4, 2004 The Wonderhog was the hot setup back when I started-I'd jump that in a heartbeat. Anyoe wanting nostalgia should get it by jumping old containers, not old - round canopies But, you should consider the realistic amount of money you will pay to a rigger to do a few modifications/updates, do you have a rigger that is capable of doing this? Do the math yourself, I can understand jumping on a limited budget. I started on an original version Sweethog. That thing was crude and ugly compared to an original Wonderhog. Also, this may be a 2-reserve riser setup. You need 4 risers for a sq reserve (a couple of reserves were TSO tested with 2-risers, but you don't want to do it). My local rigger made a set of 14 inch risers to attach to the harness at the L-bar link. The original 2-reserve risers were so short that the toggles were easy to reach. This was such a good way to get 4 risers out of an old rig. It also helped that I jumped where the rigs were made (Northern Lite-now Velocity Sports/Infinity).People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpwally 0 #19 February 7, 2004 Hey ,,i'll buy the rig for my bar as a museum piece,,e-mail me what ya want for it. wallysmile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #20 February 7, 2004 QuoteHey ,,i'll buy the rig for my bar as a museum piece, You mean you want my old Sweethog? Sorry, it was trashed.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jordan82 0 #21 May 19, 2022 Is there a sizing chart for the old vector 2’s? mine says “wonderhog harness type: II-K” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,363 #22 May 19, 2022 8 minutes ago, Jordan82 said: Is there a sizing chart for the old vector 2’s? mine says “wonderhog harness type: II-K” Hi Jordan, For the best answer, try here: United Parachute Technologies - Skydiving Harness & Container Systems (uptvector.com) Jerry Baumchen 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
