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[TomAiello 26]

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I prefer the sewn loop. I find it far quicker and neater to pull the toggle off to change slider up/down.

Huh?

The ease of switching is the number 1 reason I went with the knot method.

Maybe we're using different knot methods. Remind me to show you the one I use when you're out here. It's far easier than switching with a sewn loop.

It also has zero possibility for the knot slipping into the keeper ring. Can you explain how this could happen?

edit to add: I've got two rigs on loops and two on knots right now, and I far prefer the knots. Whenever I get the lower control lines replaced on the ones with loops, I'll definitely just leave the line long.

-- Tom Aiello

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[TomAiello 26]

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...finger trap the line behind the knot...

Can you elaborate? Are you talking about creating a loop under the knot?

To clarify, the knot method doesn't tie the toggle to the line at all. You tie a knot in the line itself, then use this knot to backstop a loop of line that you run around the toggle.

I feel like there must be some old school "tie the toggle to the line" knots running around, and that's not what I'm talking about here.

-- Tom Aiello

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[freakboy066 0]

the way I have seen this is when the knot is on the backside of the toggle.What prevents you from taking the excess and fingertrapping it through the line that is going through the toggle.Get what I mean?

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[hookitt 1]

The knot is simply tying a knot in the line. No loop, no finger trap.

Fold the line in half about 2 inches above the knot. Then slide the folded line through the top of the grommet and around the tail of the toggle.There's no way the knot will get stuck in anything.

It's quick easy, and adjustable.

Hope that helps.

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[pringles 0]

I have a couple of sets of knots in my lines. When I am jumping slider down I use the top knot. That leaves the knot or knots that I have below that one in the extra line that just hangs there. I think that is what tree was getting at. Just make sure that if you have other knots in the extra line that it gets stowed properly so it doesn't snag or hang up on anything.

Matt Davies

[crwper 7]

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It also has zero possibility for the knot slipping into the keeper ring. Can you explain how this could happen?

In skydiving, I've seen a similar problem with the method of tying a loop in the brake line and larks-heading that around the toggle. The problem there is that some people leave quite a lot of slack in the loop, so that the knot winds up being an inch or more from the toggle. In this case, with the canopy in full flight it is possible for the knot to be pulled through the guide ring, which can sometimes give an unexpectedly hard pull when it comes time to flare (and the knot has to be pulled back through the ring).

With the method of tying a knot in the line and then larks-heading the folded line around the toggle (I think this is your method) it is conceivable that this could happen, if I'm not mistaken. With the knot on the bottom side of the toggle and the line passing through the guide ring, it's possible the knot could find its way through the guide ring and hang up. However, since the knot isn't on the tensioned side of the line, I think this is extremely unlikely. There is no force which will pull the knot through, as in the above method (the force in that case being the tension in the brake line).

Michael

[TomAiello 26]

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With the knot on the bottom side of the toggle and the line passing through the guide ring, it's possible the knot could find its way through the guide ring and hang up.

The toggle would have to accompany the knot through the guide ring (since the knot is on the "down-line" side of the toggle). When you're at a point that there is enough pressure to pull your toggle through the guide ring, you've probably got other things on your mind.

Given that the toggle won't be pulled through the guide ring in any but the most extreme circumstances, I'm having trouble visualizing a scenario in which the knot can be pulled through the guide ring. Additional tension on the control line will just pull the knot tighter to the toggle.

-- Tom Aiello

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[hookitt 1]

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That should probably read "deep" brake setting

Oops. I missed this post earlier... you are correct.

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[pullhigh 0]

When in doubt, pull it out...

Sorry dude, but base is serious business. I'd never jump a rig I wasn't 100% sure about. Well never again at least.

Ganja

[crwper 7]

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the knot is on the "down-line" side of the toggle

Ah, I clearly don't understand the setup exactly, then. I had imagined that, by folding the line and passing it through the grommet, you were putting the knot on the up-line side of the toggle. I know this is getting way off-topic at this point, but perhaps you could describe your method again for the slow kids in the audience? Thanks!

Michael

[TomAiello 26]

You can pass the line through the grommet in whichever direction you please. In order for the toggle to get "back stopped" by the knot, it's going to have to slide down the line until it reaches the knot. Hence the knot must be below the toggle. If you place the knot above the toggle, the line would just slip through the toggle when you pulled on it.

I rather suspect we all know what we're talking about, and if we were sitting around drinking beer, this would be a 30 second coversation, as well went "yup, that's what I meant."

-- Tom Aiello

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[mattsplat 0]

Thanks for all the info

Tonight i'll do a repank. Besides the experience will only help.
I'm am also interested in meeting some local NJ jumpers if your interested. Please PM me

[jalisco 0]

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Well never again at least.

Aw, who needs steering lines, anyway -- you've always got rear risers...