Low-ish TARDing

[JaapSuter 0]

Hello,

this post has stupid written all over it, but with a lack of experienced unpacked jumpers in my neighbourhood, I guess I'll have to ask here.

I've done one TARD and one roll-over at the Potato bridge. Both went well. I would like to practice more TARDs, but I won't be visiting the Perrine for a while.

We have a 180 foot bridge here with a massive grass landing area underneath it, in all directions. There is no steel underneath the bridge so hitting the bridge-deck is impossible. Offheadings are no problem in nearly all directions since you can land anywhere. The only potential dangerous offheading problem is the 100 degrees right, since that aims you at the concrete pillar.

Ever since tarding the Perrine, I have a craving to TARD my local bridge. I feel that altitude wise I will do as good, if not better, as the eight static-line and PCA jumps I have done of it.

One problem is that there is no platform. So I need to do a one-handed TARD (both the coiled lines and the canopy in one hand) while my other hand holds on to the railing.

Does anybody see any other problems with TARDing this object?

What are the chances of a line-over on a TARD compared to normal packed jumps?

What are the chances of offheadings on zero-wind TARDs, compared to normal packed jumps? I feel that at on a TARD there is much less black-magic involved, and it's more your own throwing skill.

How much altitude does a properly performed TARD suck up until full pressurization?

I'm hoping Spence the 110 feet TARDer will read this and chime in with some advice.

I don't need to hear anybody say: "Go ahead, that's perfectly safe." I know it's not. I'm trying to find out if I'm overlooking anything that makes a TARD from this altitude significantly more dangerous than the PCAs and static-lines I have done from this object.

Thanks,

Jaap Suter

[JaapSuter 0]

3, 2, 1, here comes Faber...

[Faber 0]

how many times did you freefall 180ft?

how do you feel about thouse canopyrides?

dont do a TARD-over,i think we calculated it to aprox(only aprox)1,5sec delay... you dont want to go there off 180ft

i guess the chance of a line over on a TARD is aprox the same as a packed jump,if you pack it correct and release the lines in the prober way

i think you´ll have more risk to get an offheadding whith a TARD as of the way you do it(atleast dont do them in headwind unless you can take a 180 i found out a few times)

be aware that i have less than 10 TARDS so far,and i might be bullshit,but thouse are my experience so far...

587 did you TARD,that object i want to do(as a PCA first atleast),yet?

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

[JaapSuter 0]

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how many times did you freefall 180ft?

Never. I have a personal harddeck of 250 feet for freefalling.

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how do you feel about those canopyrides?

I wouldn't know. I have at least ten sub-10 second canopy rides. I'm comfortable with those. I'm also quite comfortable leaving my brakes stowed and landing on risers.

I don't think my ride will be any shorter than on the PCA's and static-lines that I have done from this object.

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dont do a TARD-over,

Nope, wasn't planning on it.

Thanks Faber!

Jaap

[Faber 0]

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I don't think my ride will be any shorter than on the PCA's and static-lines that I have done from this object.

if done proberly i agree

Im curius about the headding aswell,i only experienced straight on or 180 on mine,that said the 180 were in not ideal conditions but off a rather safe place...(all TARD-over)..

587,if you log headdings could you then mail or pm some of your facts if you dont want them public,i promise to behaive next time then

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

[brits17 0]

Hey Jaap,
Sounds like a cool jump. One thing thats just speculation is maybe you'd have even a faster 'opening/inflation' than a pca or static line. This has just been from my limited experience w/ TARD's on 210 (building) and 280 (antenna) ft objects. It may also have to do with my wee canopy and short lines and such.

Have fun with that, gotta run. Later

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[TomAiello 26]

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What are the chances of a line-over on a TARD compared to normal packed jumps?

You should be using a tailgate on your TARD jumps. This makes the chance of line over very low.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
SnakeRiverBASE.com

[cornishe 0]

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You should be using a tailgate on your TARD jumps. This makes the chance of line over very low.

Do you recommend to use the rubberband below the tailpocket to close the tailgate on a TARD, or use a separate tailgate and then use that tailpocket stow to create a bite of all the lines?


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Abbie Mashaal
Skydive Idaho
Snake River Skydiving
TandemBASE

[JaapSuter 0]

Furthermore, I had somebody recommend me to just stow the lines in the tailpocket, partially covering some of the velcro to make the opening wider if I was too worried about them coming out. This will make a single-handed TARD easier.

Can anybody comment on that suggestion?

[hookitt 1]

Take a single stow of lines in the primary stow, and use a normal tailgate.

I have loads of Tard experience so you can trust that. 3 total 2 from an S and 1 from a 210 B. Since they all worked perfectly, it's gotta be right eh?

Actually, that's what I saw Ray the TARD man do, so I copied him.

My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto

[base587 0]

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"Go ahead, that's perfectly safe"

Yes, it's a good bridge if you already have some TARD experience (although I have only PCA'd and FF it)

It sounds like everyone's offered good advice; personally I don't use a tailgate nor propack...but I'm old school.

(BTW Have you jumped the nearby freestander yet?)

Mr Faber, I have S/L'd and FF the object you speak of. I was going to rollover one time but Miss Ranger stopped my fun.

[JaapSuter 0]

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(BTW Have you jumped the nearby freestander yet?)

We'll be doing that this weekend. I have a Dane and an American visiting, and I have quite the collection of objects lined up.

[Faber 0]

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It sounds like everyone's offered good advice; personally I don't use a tailgate nor propack...but I'm old school.

im happy to say it works great aslong as you dont jump in moderate headwinds or by acsident kick your canopy as you climb the rail,in thouse conditions you probaly experience a 180 atleast i did,the rest were STRAIGHT ON!!!

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I was going to rollover one time but Miss Ranger stopped my fun.

you better watch out for that girl...
I mean she kicked you out of the house,but made food for us..
She opened the door for the cat and demand you out to catch it
She cleaned out clothes as we were asleep(hell i didnt notice my clothes were gone before next morning)
and im sure she were the one asking you to bring that silly had on your 2nd rid to the cliff to "rescue"the rest of us

dont let her ruin all your fun

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

[base587 0]

Hey Faber;

Miss Ranger was from the state park service.

The girl that cooked you food and cleaned your clothes actually WANTS me to jump...

[f1freak 0]

Ok, I tried to search it on my own, and I only have 3 jumps from a 2000' + "A" back in the late 90's with people that had no expierience in base jumping, what is a TARD jump?

HAVE FUN...
...JUST DONT DIE

[TomAiello 26]

See explanation in this thread.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
SnakeRiverBASE.com

[Bryguy1224 12]

I have done 1 tard from the potato bridge. it was too windy to do a rollover. I opened with a 180. Tom was on the bridge at the time and told me that as soon as the canopy left my hand the wind took it and twisted it 180. In respsonse to lower rollovers. I did a rollover off of a 175' billboard. I had a good 5 or 6 seconds of canopy time. jamie from twin and peterk saw that one. you can always ask them how it looked from the ground.

Bryan
BASE 943

[Faber 0]

no worryes its the same the one want to bust you the other one wants you away from home(ouch guess i get spanked next time i show up he he)

Next time i deafently will make sure to have atleast a few days whith you guys..,looks like Lene will join on such a trip...

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

[JaapSuter 0]

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"Go ahead, that's perfectly safe"

Yes, it's a good bridge if you already have some TARD experience (although I have only PCA'd and FF it)


Thanks, that's all I needed to hear...

Seriously though, I recently TARDed it and everything went great. I think my canopy flight was longer than it was on my PCAs and static-lines.

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(BTW Have you jumped the nearby freestander yet?)

I've tried it once, but I was too careless with my bottom-pin, causing my entire packjob to fall out as I was putting on my rig.

Very embarrassing...

Fortunately that gave me the perfect excuse to climb down the freestander, walk over to the bridge, and TARD it.

[base587 0]

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I've tried it once, but I was too careless with my bottom-pin, causing my entire packjob to fall out as I was putting on my rig.

Very embarrassing...

Fortunately that gave me the perfect excuse to climb down the freestander, walk over to the bridge, and TARD it.

Jaap, Let me get this straight.

You were on the top of that overhanging freestander that has a big open, flat catwalk with an unpacked rig and you CLIMBED DOWN?!?

*sigh* I can see Tom shaking his head right now

[JaapSuter 0]

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You were on the top of that overhanging freestander that has a big open, flat catwalk with an unpacked rig and you CLIMBED DOWN?!?

I'm afraid so.

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*sigh* I can see Tom shaking his head right now

Because one of his students is a pussy or because one of his students is still alive?

Seriously though, I think somebody told me that landing area has recently gotten smaller due to some added wiring. Not sure if that's true, but either way I considered it a heads-up landing area that was going to require some concentration. It's pretty small, and there's wires and fences all around it.

Having only ever done one TARD before, and having my head fucked with because I was stupid enough to have my bottom pin come out, I decided walking down was the wiser choice. I didn't have enough TARD experience to garantuee a solid onheading launch.

There's always tomorrow,

Jaap

p.s. All of the above is just politically correct mumbo jumbo. What I'm really trying to say is that there wasn't enough peer-pressure to push me into doing something stupid. Too bad. It could have made great video.

[base587 0]

I did the opposite.

I went up there with a completely packed rig...and intentionally pulled pins to unpack it to do a TARD.

That made even less sense

[Faber 0]

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I went up there with a completely packed rig...and intentionally pulled pins to unpack it to do a TARD.

That made even less sense

why?

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

[CrazyThomas 0]

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You were on the top of that overhanging freestander that has a big open, flat catwalk with an unpacked rig and you CLIMBED DOWN?!?

I'm afraid so.

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*sigh* I can see Tom shaking his head right now

Because one of his students is a pussy or because one of his students is still alive?

I would hope it is because one of his students is still alive. It shows judgement, and belief in gut instinct.


you know, chicken BASE numbers are still pretty low, and I''ll bet "chicken TARD BASE" numbers are even lower
There's always another day if you walk away.


cheers,
Thomas

[Faber 0]

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There's always another day if you walk away

now hows your leg theese days?

Stay safe
Stefan Faber