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Marc
otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman....
craddock 0
4 weeks, and it could be lying on your living room floor, and no one is going to point out your flapping pin or riser covers on video.
Then why the need for secondary covers if the first ones are so good. I sure don't want to pay for them
As far as Javelin main flaps opening.....old news....fixed. The new ones with tuck tabs don't come open. I've had 3 and never had one open, but the older ones with velcro do flap in the wind.
That's not an accurate statement. Larger sizes of Javs and all the student ones are still very prone to come open.
dinog3 0
The point is the container system has to work 100% of the time and people seem to shop for the cheapest container when they will spend more on a main which has a higher rate of malfunction. Once again, when the ____ hits the fan i feel more comfortable knowing i spent the extra money for a higher quality product.
You're still implying that the Wings container (and any container that doesn't cost as much as a Mirage for that matter) will be unsafe when "the ____ hits the fan."
You're digging a hole buddy, and I promise you, I'm not the only one that is shocked and generally upset with the comments you've made here. I promise you, your comments has cost your company business!
If I was you, I would just apologize, quite trying to explain, and move on before you did anymore damage!
The wings has a stitch count of 5 per inch where Mirage has 12 per inch.
As pointed out by MrHixxx, Wings uses type 7 all the way through no need for the extra stitching.
Also Mirage uses a 40lb reserve spring where wings uses a 25lb.
As pointed out by MrHixxx, The Mirage has to travel through 4 flaps with its 40 lb spring. the Wings has to travel through 2. Once the p/c has cleared the wings is about 80% f-111 and 20% mesh. The Mirage is about 50/50 of each. So, I like the the actually deployment force of the Wings with more material.
higher quality hardware, stronger stiffening plastics, secured cable housings topped with cast stainless end fittings as opposed to the wings
Wings with SS option comes with the highest quality hardware on the market and their cable housing are the best ones I've seen so far. I'm waiting to see the new Infinity's ones.
The pricing is based on us being able to purchase the higher quality of materials
What higher quality material? Is your cordura much better than the Wings'? I bet it is made in the same factory! Same for the hardware, PDF? (The good one)
Would you feel comfortable jumping your Vector which is a great rig knowing that they lessened their stitch count or removed your secondary riser covers so the rig could be less expensive especially when the container system has to work 100% of the time?
So what you are saying here is that a Wings can be seen as a Vector minus all the stitching and the secondary covers! Again the extra stitching is not needed and niether the secondary risers do on a Wings. I really did not know I was jumping a rotten Vector! I must be nuts.
Well i guess you would make that decision for yourself
So in the end if you are young and crazy jump a Wings. If you are wise jump a G3/G4 and nothing is ever gonna happen to you!
If you are ever in Deland and would like to get a tour here, you might have a better idea on what i mean
While you are in the area visit Sunrise too. Then you can get the best idea.
903
Unstable 9
I'm a real Happy Camper with my New Racer 2K3 - The customer Service I recieved from Nightjumper and the rest of the gang at Jumpshack was amazing, beyond what I could have ever expected from a gear manufacturer. I never could have imagined a Manufacturer bending over backwards and going way out of their way to make sure a customer was absolutely satisfied. I have heard rumors (horror Stories) of Customer Service from some of those manufacturers of the rigs you are considering - Make it a point to include that in your buying decision. Oh, and BTW -- People use the expression "Fits like a Racer" for a reason.
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Seriously dude, Call the Manufacturers, and to talk to somebody of importance. I'll be you'll be suprised with each call you make!
sdctlc 0
The fact is there are differences in production costs that dictate the price of the harness container system. That is what i was trying to convey to Pilot Dave by presenting fact. In no way is presenting fact, slandering or slamming another manufacturer.
Pointing out factual differences is not poor selling techniques. One more thing to be clear on as well is the container working 100% of the time. The point is the container system has to work 100% of the time and people seem to shop for the cheapest container when they will spend more on a main which has a higher rate of malfunction. Once again, when the ____ hits the fan i feel more comfortable knowing i spent the extra money for a higher quality product.
Noting specific feature differences is fine, I said that before. Noting your manufacturing thinking for construction and design is fine. Noting that you have X # of flaps and they dont is fine or secondary riser covers fine again, I dont have a problem with noting any of that.
The problem, and the reason this became what it did, is the inference that yours is 100% while others, specifically Wings are not. You may not have meant that but that is what it looked like and that is what many people took it as. I think a Mirage is an outstanding rig that can stand on its merits, I also think there are other fine rigs out there that cost less. The Mirage seems to be accepted as a spendy rig and you even agree to that fact. Of course cost is based on production costs, but saying "we" spend more then "they" do so ours is 100% all the time. Theirs may be good most of the time but why take the chance. That to me is just like saying "ours is good and they have one that is bad"... I had to shake my head again on your latest response becuse you did it again while trying to dig out from the first post.
Scott C.
Someone said this thread is gonna hurt sales. Yeah, right. I don't see the appeal that a lot of people do in mirages. They're kinda "pretty boy" rigs, aren't they? (uh oh, did I really say that?
So I dunno. I think all this complaining just makes manufacturers afraid to post on here. I want to hear more from them.
Dave
I answered the post using my experience. You get no taller chopping others off at the knees.
PM'd you.
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