juanesky 0 #1 February 21, 2004 Well, I have a couple of friends that are visiting us pretty soon from Spain. They are concerned because their reserves do not have a certified seal, as we have in here. Could anyone let me know if they will have no problem here? (unless it expires while visiting of course.) Thanks"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sneaky 0 #2 February 21, 2004 Its not an issue,as long as the reserve packing card is in date and they fill out all the waivers.I have heard of some problems with some smaller DZ`s but most are aware of the situation with European jumpers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #3 February 21, 2004 Thanks for the info."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #4 February 21, 2004 When European jumpers arrived in Perris Valley, California without seals, we would simply install blank seals, as long as the reserve was in date, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #5 February 21, 2004 Their plan is to go to San Marcos, and then drive all the way to Florida. I am helping them map the routes alternatives."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trautmann 0 #6 February 21, 2004 check also who long they could use the reserve till it needs a repack. in europe whe have different times, mostly longer than us, for repack. for example in austria i need a repack all 6 month, but with my gear, that is build for us market, the packing is not allowed to be older than 4 month when i want to jump in us._________________________________________ sorry for broken english, I'm Austrian Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #7 February 21, 2004 Apparently they have to be sealed to be legal. See this thread from earlier in the week: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=927218#927218 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tombuch 0 #8 February 21, 2004 Some good answers so far. Most drop zones will be OK with your gear, but your should check with them first, if you can. I know that might be tough given the nature of your trip. With that in mind, check out a feature I wrote elsewhere on dropzone.com about visiting jumpers...seehttp://www.dropzone.com/news/GearRegulationsforParach.shtml Tom Buchanan Instructor (AFF, SL, IAD, Tandem) S&TA Author JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and EasyTom Buchanan Instructor Emeritus Comm Pilot MSEL,G Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sneaky 0 #9 February 21, 2004 If they go to FL then ZHills,Deland and Sebastian are fine without seals... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #10 February 21, 2004 QuoteIf they go to FL then ZHills,Deland and Sebastian are fine without seals... In theory, if their rigs have both a TSOed reserve and container, they need to follow US regs, which as Tom's link indicate is 120 days and a seal. Call the DZs 1st to check what their policies are.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tink1717 2 #11 February 21, 2004 We just went over this in detail at my riggers course last month. From the FAA rep: Foreign nationals are allowed to jump their gear as long as it meets the standards set in their home country. This is inclusive of repack cycles and seals.Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meatbomb 0 #12 February 23, 2004 Even if their gear is TSO'd???? Can we get that in writing? --- Swoopert, CS-Aiiiiiii! Piccies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tink1717 2 #13 February 23, 2004 Yep. As long as it is maintained to their home country standards. The only tricky part is knowing what standards the home country has.Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #14 February 23, 2004 Thats not the letter of the regulations you know... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gus 1 #15 February 23, 2004 When I took my Teardrop SF/Tempo to Zhills I was expecting them to tell me I needed a repack because (1) the container/reserve are TSO'd (2) I was 5 months in to our 6 month repack cycle. But the lady I spoke to at Paragon (?) implied that since my gear wasn't manufactured in the US it was ok. From reading the regs I thought she was wrong but I wasn't going to argue! GusOutpatientsOnline.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #16 February 23, 2004 Is your rig “approved” ? Sec. 105.3 Definitions For the purposes of this part-- Approved parachute means a parachute manufactured under a type certificate or a Technical Standard Order (C-23 series), or a personnel-carrying U.S. military parachute (other than a high altitude, high speed, or ejection type) identified by a Navy Air Facility, an Army Air Field, and Air Force-Navy drawing number, an Army Air Field order number, or any other military designation or specification number. So if neither the reserve nor harness are TSO’ed you are jumping an “unapproved” parachute AND you are a foreign jumper, the following applys: Sec. 105.49 Foreign parachutists and equipment (a) No person may conduct a parachute operation, and no pilot in command of an aircraft may allow a parachute operation to be conducted from that aircraft with an unapproved foreign parachute system unless-- (1) The parachute system is worn by a foreign parachutist who is the owner of that system. (2) The parachute system is of a single-harness dual parachute type. (3) The parachute system meets the civil aviation authority requirements of the foreign parachutist's country. (4) All foreign non-approved parachutes deployed by a foreign parachutist during a parachute operation conducted under this section shall be packed as follows-- (i) The main parachute must be packed by the foreign parachutist making the next parachute jump with that parachute, a certificated parachute rigger, or any other person acceptable to the Administrator. (ii) The reserve parachute must be packed in accordance with the foreign parachutist's civil aviation authority requirements, by a certificated parachute rigger, or any other person acceptable to the Administrator. If either your rig or your reserve is TSO’ed then the following applys: Sec. 105.43 Use of single-harness, dual-parachute systems No person may conduct a parachute operation using a single-harness, dual-parachute system, and no pilot in command of an aircraft may allow any person to conduct a parachute operation from that aircraft using a single-harness, dual-parachute system, unless that system has at least one main parachute, one approved reserve parachute, and one approved single person harness and container that are packed as follows: (a) The main parachute must have been packed within 120 days before the date of its use by a certificated parachute rigger, the person making the next jump with that parachute, or a non-certificated person under the direct supervision of a certificated parachute rigger. (b) The reserve parachute must have been packed by a certificated parachute rigger- (1) Within 120 days before the date of its use, if its canopy, shroud, and harness are composed exclusively of nylon, rayon, or similar synthetic fiber or material that is substantially resistant to damage from mold, mildew, and other fungi, and other rotting agents propagated in a moist environment; or (2) Within 60 days before the date of its use, if it is composed of any amount of silk, pongee, or other natural fiber, or material not specified in paragraph (b)(1) of this section. (c) If installed, the automatic activation device must be maintained in accordance with manufacturer instructions for that automatic activation device. AND Sec. 65.133 Seal Each certificated parachute rigger must have a seal with an identifying mark prescribed by the Administrator, and a seal press. After packing a parachute he shall seal the pack with his seal in accordance with the manufacturer's recommendation for that type of parachute. From what I've just read, apparently approved foriegn parachutes must also be packed by a certificated rigger - which means certificated by the FAA not whatever home body certificates your home riggers. Therefore strictly speaking that should mean a repack for everone who ever goes to America! Sec. 65.111 Certificate required (a) No person may pack, maintain, or alter any personnel-carrying parachute intended for emergency use in connection with civil aircraft of the United States (including the reserve parachute of a dual parachute system to be used for intentional parachute jumping) unless that person holds an appropriate current certificate and type rating issued under this subpart and complies with Secs. 65.127 through 65.133. How strictly the DZ applys these rules and how well they understand them in the first place is their problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #17 February 24, 2004 You learn quickly! SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #18 February 24, 2004 Hey I make my living reading and interpreting shit like that . The other thread was simply my surprise that my experience ran contrary to the letter of the rule. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #19 February 24, 2004 QuoteHey I make my living reading and interpreting shit like that . The other thread was simply my surprise that my experience ran contrary to the letter of the rule. Hell, I have spent most of my adult life reading this shit and still have trouble "interpreting" it. I am sure the FAA writes it that way on purpose. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
