JaapSuter 0 #26 February 10, 2006 QuoteHe jumped an original Sabre, which were notorious for opening fast. I did the same thing four times on an original Sabre 170, didn't have any problems. It may have had Dacron lines. Again, not saying that means anything, but my openings weren't hard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JaapSuter 0 #27 February 10, 2006 QuoteThink lineovers, lineovers clearing at high speed causing fabric damage. Right, that's pretty much what I expected. But that's what hook-knifes, WLO's and reserves are for, right? QuoteDuring initial inflation at higher speeds, the canopy has alot of chaotic events happening. I believe the slider serves as as a focal point to the load distribution from the canopy to the lines. Take some lines out that controll and they are free to do what they they will. There is no denying that! QuoteThere probably has been more people than you think that have tried the same thing... Not at all; I'm not that cocky. I'm sure there have been many people that have tried this setup. I'm also moderately confident there have been close to the same amount of people that lived to tell about it. Quote...why have we not all adopted this type of setup? My .03 I would never recommend it as a consistent setup to anybody. Lines through grommets has all the advantages here. But as an exercise to an aspiring BASE jumper to get a feel for what it's like to jump with the lines free; I'll recommend it any day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kleggo 145 #28 February 10, 2006 My question to discuss is, do you think BASE will continue to get safer? __________________________________________________ safer? please define. gear is far better / more reliable than when i started in 1982 there is far more knowledge and it is much easier to disperse said knowledge but ......................... it is not taken advantage of in far too many cases. _________________________________________________ What do you think will be the main aspects making it safer...gear...knowledge...something else... __________________________________________________ maturity and intelligence are the key components. remember the guy that jumped a field packed rig in Moab after a TS challenge? remember the guy that did the rollover tard at Moab? both are fine examples of why BASE probably does not fit your probable idea of moving towards safer i.m.o. Do you think we have more to gain if we exercise better judgement and increase our knowledge? i do be safe kleggo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #29 February 10, 2006 In my opinion, highly skilled jumpers on dodgy gear are safer than folks with little or no preparation jumping state of the art gear. In the beginning, BASE had a high percentage of the former. I think we are moving toward the latter. I don't think we're there yet, and I definitely see folks trying to stem the tide, but I do, personally, wonder if it's just an inevitable movement that can be postponed, but not reversed. I wasn't around on dropzones 30 years ago, but I've heard that something similar has happened in skydiving. Inevitable? Perhaps. But I'd like to think not.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonstark 8 #30 February 10, 2006 Very good insight Tom. It is true on all counts from my perspective as a jumper who has been around from the mid seventies and with BASE jumps as far back as 1981. Presently there are way too many incidents involving the uninitiated jumper who gets "cocky" in both sports but I'd venture to say that there are far fewer in BASE. LUCK? The younger skydivers are making mistakes by jumping equipment they are not ready for but with BASE that is not the case. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trae 1 #31 February 11, 2006 in reply to "I wasn't around on dropzones 30years ago " ............. Neither was I but from my current perspective the modern day BASE scene has a lot of simliarities to the older time skydiving scene. Most BASE jumpers appear to exhibit a willingness to share the knowledge hard learnt from hard experience. This is close to how it was in skydiving in the past. Currently in skydiving it seems more like a lot of the information is being quoted from a book rather than from people's personal experience. Of course there are many exceptions to this but perhaps a similar trend will envelope BASE jumping as it gets more highly developed and accepted and safer. ...perhaps not. However, the idea of doing many 100's of jumps without a reserve must create a very different mindset . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
avenfoto 0 #32 February 11, 2006 Quotemany 100's of jumps without a reserve must create a very different mindset without a main, actually.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #33 February 12, 2006 If you think jumping in gennerally i would say yes.. BASE is becomming safer,BUT most people are pushing them selfs just abit each time they jump and gets more confident.. Look at the legal S in US were people whith less than 100 BASE jumps often try doing their first arials.. people are pulling lower in Swiss wally as theyre set to try track longer... People will always get injuryed and killed in this sport´so even as you CAN do it safely-ish then most people dont tend to do so,atleast not on all their jumps.. Our equipment is getting better and better all the time,thanks to manufactors and thouse who takes the bigger risk of testing it before evryone else jumps it.. BASE will never be safe but it can be done in a safe as posibly way(ehm im not sure if my words describes it well enough as i think it). Stay safe Stefan Faber Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wobblyhead 0 #34 February 14, 2006 Still safer than drug smuggling, 2 aussies sentenced to death by firing squad, another couple got life. Base wouldnt pay as much though of course Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TVPB 0 #35 February 15, 2006 BASE??? Safety??? Risk??? These are relative terms that are dependant on many factors. How safe YOU are in BASE is mainly determined by the decisions you make before, during, and after each jump. My safety and risk level will be different to yours. It will also be different for me with different jumps that I make. All the equipment, technique, object access, training, skill, etc, will not help much if you make very poor decisions. In this scenario, it is not BASE jumping that is more dangerous, it is the individual that is participating. A relatively safe jumper does a good job of risk management, that is, reducing the risks of the sport to an acceptable level. A dangerous jumper is one that increases the complexity and the number of variables in a jump without adequate risk management. For example, trying several new skills on the one jump instead of learning them separately. The biggest variable in any activity is the human participating. If you can manage that, you are well on the way to minimising risk and danger. Stay Safe - Have Fun - Good Luck The above could be crap, thought provoking, useful, or . . But not personal. You decide. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #36 February 15, 2006 I think the APF Safety Poster (pdf) sums it up quite well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
