My first chop

[Neoslim22 0]

Main opened with linetwists, gave it a few seconds to try and work it out. Everything worked out just fine.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbRMluUekVs

[CornishChris 5]

You had worse twists on your reserve!

Probably would have been worth having a go at sorting out the main but well done, no one else was there but you and you're ok.

Edited to add - is your profile up to date?

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[Neoslim22 0]

No, i need to update it. I was at 1900 when the main opened did not have much time to work it out.

[flipper 0]

What is the main canopy ?

[Neoslim22 0]

Heatwave

[liftedtitan 0]

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You had worse twists on your reserve!

Probably would have been worth having a go at sorting out the main but well done,

i dont know, it seems like he was spiraling pretty bad.

Do you have an RSL?

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[Scrumpot 1]

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Do you have an RSL?

Seeing as there is no indication on the video (that I can see anyway) that he even pulled his silver handle at all, I would say yes, he does - and the reserve is RSL deployed.

OP - Is your profile accurate & current?

Lot's of gizmo's going on here. Beepy things, etc. and a camera at 69 jumps.

EDIT: Nevermind. 69 Jumps on surface profile seems to be a "joke". Full profile shows 200 Freefly jumps, plus 29 wingsuits.

But maybe somebody still knows where I was going with the thought process, so I'll still leave my initial observations, in case anyone wants to discuss.

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[Hellis 0]

It looks like he is holding something in his left hand

[Neoslim22 0]

I do have a RSL, pulled both handles but dropped the reserve ripcord trying to sort out the line twists on the reserve. I would like to have seen how far I got the rip cord out before the rsl pulled it.

[Scrumpot 1]

Ah-ha! ...Excellent. Good catch / "eye"! I just don't have the patience to do a frame-by-frame like that.

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[Neoslim22 0]

Got a little kink in the end of it.

[Scrumpot 1]

Is that where it would be anchored when set in the rig? Looks to me like you were pretty quick - and may have actually gotten it moving at least too, before that little (what - maybe 8" or so - "little" in some peoples books ) lanyard ended up getting it for ya too.

What kind of gear and set-up for this jump?
You say the chop was from a heatwave, but I note your profile indicates some other type canopy is your usual main. So, just wondering about updated details more pertinent to this jump?

Good job assessing, and reacting to (then taking action appropriate to) your situation!

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[Neoslim22 0]

Gear setup is a Infinity I32/Micro Raven 150/argus

[Andy9o8 2]

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No, i need to update it. I was at 1900 when the main opened did not have much time to work it out.

What was your initial pull altitude? Was it lower than your normal pull altitude; and if so, why?

It did seem to be diving pretty briskly. If you'd been, say, 1000 or 1500 feet higher, would you have tried to kick out, or still chopped it quickly anyway as unrecoverable?

[BIGUN 1,402]

Watched it a couple of times... looks like you were spinning into the twists.
Good job..

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[doughboyshred 0]

I admittedly don't know shit, but I had worse line twists than that on my first jump. I grabbed the risers and pulled them apart as hard as I freaking could while kicking and it took care of it in seconds. It didn't look like you even tried to pull your risers apart. Is this because of your elevation, you just didn't feel like you had time to deal with it? Or did you feel like you were spinning in to more line twists?

Good work staying alive.

[Neoslim22 0]

I was already low and I was kicking as hard as I could and they were just getting worse. Plus I am sure you jumped a 260-280sf square on your first jump, this is a 150sf elliptical. The two are night and day.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

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I admittedly don't know shit, but I had worse line twists than that on my first jump. I grabbed the risers and pulled them apart as hard as I freaking could while kicking and it took care of it in seconds. It didn't look like you even tried to pull your risers apart. Is this because of your elevation, you just didn't feel like you had time to deal with it? Or did you feel like you were spinning in to more line twists?

Good work staying alive.

Watch the video again.

The canopy is spinning hard enough to fling the jumper out horizontally. Which means it is diving straight at the ground.

Under those circumstances, if he had waited longer, the spin could have developed enough force that the jumper couldn't have lifted his arms to reach the cutaway handle.

As the previous post from the OP said, there's a world of difference between big student canopies and smaller ellipticals.

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[billeisele 130]

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I admittedly don't know shit, but I had worse line twists than that on my first jump. I grabbed the risers and pulled them apart as hard as I freaking could while kicking and it took care of it in seconds. It didn't look like you even tried to pull your risers apart. Is this because of your elevation, you just didn't feel like you had time to deal with it? Or did you feel like you were spinning in to more line twists?

Good work staying alive.

You're correct - you don't know shit. But that is OK. Check the altimeter pic "reserve" in post #8 and decide if there was enough altitude to mess around.

Notice how it is diving at the ground, chop chop was the absolutely correct action.

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[doughboyshred 0]

watched it again, and said, oh, holy shit. I didn't realize how bad it was diving to the ground, or how low he was at that point.

Thanks for pointing that out.

[tbrown 26]

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I was already low and I was kicking as hard as I could and they were just getting worse. Plus I am sure you jumped a 260-280sf square on your first jump, this is a 150sf elliptical. The two are night and day.

You did just great. Your main was plainly spinning you around, which means you were going down FAST ! You don't have enough time or altitude to sort out something that's gone that far out of control. There will ALWAYS be some a-holes on the dropzone who will tell you, "dude, you didn't have to chop that". They're full of shit, plain & simple. It's your life, your choice, and why you wear a 2nd parachute. If you hadn't chopped when you did, you'd have been down through a grand in mere seconds and THEN things would've got "sporty" for sure. Congratulations on making the right call. Plus, now you know your EPs really do work !

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[ridestrong 1]

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....the spin could have developed enough force that the jumper couldn't have lifted his arms to reach the cutaway handle.

I've heard a few people say that. I have a hard time believing that g-forces can be accelerated high enough under canopy, as to not allow the average jumper to lift (or especially) flex their arms enough to reach their cutaway.

Until I see or read proof... I call BS.

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[theonlyski 8]

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....the spin could have developed enough force that the jumper couldn't have lifted his arms to reach the cutaway handle.

I've heard a few people say that. I have a hard time believing that g-forces can be accelerated high enough under canopy, as to not allow the average jumper to lift (or especially) flex their arms enough to reach their cutaway.

Until I see or read proof... I call BS.

Do a high pull with plenty of clear airspace in every direction, release your breaks, slowly bring one of them about waist high (keeping your hand in the other one)

I say slowly, because if you do it too fast, your canopy will probably turn faster than you do, giving you line twists.

You would be freaking surprised how fast and how much g forces you add up. Keep an eye on your altitude, airspace and location, and don't do this at or near the highest pulling person on the load.

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[ridestrong 1]

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You would be freaking surprised how fast and how much g forces you add up. Keep an eye on your altitude, airspace and location, and don't do this at or near the highest pulling person on the load.

I've felt some very significant g-forces... but enough to not bend your arm??

G-force at its greatest will only be applied at a single angle... the chances of not being able to maneuver ones arms in any fashion doesn't seem likely.

Seems you would need a greater distance from the axis to achieve that much g-force than is obtained between the canopy (axis) and the jumper. If canopy lines were perhaps 3x longer I would have an easier time believing it to be plausible.

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[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Shorter lines make it worse because you can get higher rpm.

Although a very extreme case, search "Chris Martin".

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