heims 0 #1 March 12, 2004 Would someone please explain why the hip rings on an articulated harness are located at the top of the hip bones? When I think about sitting down or lifting my leg, the point where I bend is at the hip joint which is much lower than the top of the hip bone. Why isn't the articulation at the hip joint? Blue skies, Sherri Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sammer 0 #2 March 12, 2004 I've wondered about that also. All I can come up with is that it would be really hard to make a harness with that geometry. The leg straps need to have a pretty good angle in them if they are going to support your weight. It would move with your body a lot better if you could pull that off though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #3 March 12, 2004 Hmm, but you bend at the waist, right? Not so much where your thigh hinges, but where your pelvis hinges. Take a bow and see where you bend. The harness supports you by the pelvis not the thighs. Your legs only keep the harness from slipping off.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sammer 0 #4 March 12, 2004 I think your right about the harness supporting your pelvis and not your thighs. I think that is where the problem is- you do bend at your hip joints. Otherwise my harness wouldn't get loose when I am seated in the a/c and when I am in a sit (like when the straps move up your legs if you don't use bungees). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #5 March 12, 2004 QuoteWould someone please explain why the hip rings on an articulated harness are located at the top of the hip bones? Because it's an easy place for the manufacturers to put them. They tie into the laterals easily there. Some manufacturers have come up with a different way of doing things. Mirage for example puts the ring at the level of the lateral (top of the hip bone) but then instead of attaching the legstraps directly to the rign they use a "bridge" of webbing to put the legstrap junction lower on the hip where it needs to be. This allows for a comfortable harness, and a good amount of movement in the articulation. Some manufactures tie the legstraps into the ring directly and while this often works ok, on a long torso, tall person with a smaller rig, or a small torso, short person with a big rig, it can be less than comfortable.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heims 0 #6 March 12, 2004 And when was the last time you took a bow in the air . . .hehehe But seriously, I was thinking more about movements I would be more likely to do in the air such as a sit or freestyle moves (such as a compass). In doing that, I would be bending where my thigh hinges, not at my waist. Maybe I should ask, what would happen or what would change in the functionality of the rig if the articulation point were at the hip hinge rather than the top of the hip? Your pelvis would still be doing the supporting, right? For example, I've seen several rigs that have an extension that continues straight down from the ring before the leg straps start. Why not have the articulation at the bottom of this extension? If articulation isn't supposed to allow for free leg movement, what movement is it supposed to allow for? Am I misunderstanding what articulation is there for? Blue skies, Sherri Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heims 0 #7 March 12, 2004 That's interesting. I jump a custom Mirage G3 and my leg straps attach directly into the hip rings (no "bridge"). I have seen it though. I just didn't realize what type of rig it was on. Is this "bridge" only on longer rigs or is this something different with a G4? I am pretty small (5'3", 110 lbs.), but I still jump a 135 so my container isn't exactly tiny. I'm finding that not only is the angle of the leg pads really uncomfortable (straight legs with legs together just isn't happening), but also despite having articulation, I'm not feeling like my legs are able to "freely" move. BTW. I have spoken to and been working with Mirage via phone and email with pics (their customer service is top notch!!!! Thanks Justin!). I would just like to be more knowledgeable when I talk to them about my rig and have thought out what options I have available. Blue skies, Sherri Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #8 March 12, 2004 I should have qualified my statement by saying it applies to the Unysin Harness on a G4.1 On a longer rig on the short torso, the rings unfortunately will be so low as to make the bridge unusable. Length is all relative to the person's body. My MT-1/2 is way "short on my body, but I know some girls it might be long on.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmsmith 1 #9 March 13, 2004 The hip rings are fashion items. If you have your harness custom fitted they are not needed. Now understand that it might take several attempts to arrive at this magical fit, but once you are there you will know it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrogNog 1 #10 March 13, 2004 QuoteThe hip rings are fashion items. If you have your harness custom fitted they are not needed. Now understand that it might take several attempts to arrive at this magical fit, but once you are there you will know it. How does a proper, custom-fitted harness flex at the hip when the wearer is walking? Isn't that where about 4 layers of webbing are stitched together in a square? I know it's way easier to walk in my rig with its hip rings (and it is custom fitted) than in any of the non-ringed harnesses I've tried on (which weren't custom fitted). For small steps there may not be a difference, but for stairs, I swear those rings help a lot. :) -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMURRAY 1 #11 March 13, 2004 QuoteThe hip rings are fashion items. If you have your harness custom fitted they are not needed. Now understand that it might take several attempts to arrive at this magical fit, but once you are there you will know it. exactly what I was thinking. I would not waste my cash on hip/chest rings, stainless steel, tie dye etc. My rig is very comfortable as is..... rm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #12 March 13, 2004 QuoteThe hip rings are fashion items. I disagree. I've jumped standard harnesses that fit me perfectly. My old Reflex and my current Infinity, both with hip rings, was/is far more comfortable than any standard harness I've jumped, including Racers and old Vectors (which until I jumped a rig with hip rings I would have said were the most comfortable harnesses available). I would agree that chest rings and stainless steel hardware are fashion items. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #13 March 13, 2004 Quote would not waste my cash on hip/chest rings, stainless steel, tie dye etc. My rig is very comfortable as is..... I have hip and chest rings on my Talon. Didn't choose, was second (5th actually) hand... If I got a new rig, certainly would pick hip rings, no chest rings though... Quotetie dye tie dye is very important for comfort scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #14 March 13, 2004 Wow, funny that... You'd think some company would come up with something better than that, wouldn't you... Now if the FAA would only cooperate... "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
