TomAiello 26 #26 December 29, 2006 I dunno, dude. Collecting stamps can be pretty dangerous.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MyTwoCents 0 #27 December 29, 2006 Good point, I should call the NPS on his ass... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pocbase 0 #28 December 29, 2006 QuoteYou can save a life today by donating hundred dollars to your nearest third-world-country charitable organization..................................And unless you send a hundred dollars to Africa (with apologies to the continent) and agree to pay more taxes, you'll have to come to terms with this. Yes, that's absolutely right. Here in Africa we have to deal with a lot of crap. The first attached picture addresses one of my main issues. Anybody interrested in helping out can PM me and should there be enough interest I will open a Paypal account and call it: "pocisadumass". I will personaly ensure that every cent donnated is spent on this issue and not deviated to fund AK 47's for some obscure central African war. The second is an insurance proposal for free climbers. Lots of small print there though. Ooops, I just accidently glued my eyelids closed with the cement for the B-17 kit I'm building. I hope I'm covered...The bums will never win Lebowski, the bums will never win! Enfin j'ai trouvé: Bieeeen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
460 0 #29 December 29, 2006 Are you saying we should pay more taxes? Looks like a death sandwich without the bread - Steve Deadman Morrell, BASE 174 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SabreDave 0 #30 December 29, 2006 QuoteQuoteSo if you became unemployed or financially destitute and could no longer pay for your insurance, would you then quit BASE... I probably would, yes. Quote...and if not would you refuse medical care if you had a 180 and busted yourself up. Whatever happens, I would face the consequences.. So.......if you HAD a rescue you would go out of your way to make sure every penny of taxpayers money involved in said rescue was paid back by you?!?! I call BULLSHIT............. If you were lying there bleeding and dying I don't believe for one second you would just quietly die with a stiff upper lip because you wanted to face the consequences. You would be screaming for help, for your mommy, for someone to save your ass if they could. Brave talk but utter bullshit, sorry buddy, gotta call it when I smell it! There is definately an american feel to the responses. I agree with the slippery slope idea. Where do you draw the line??! Really? The dumbass unprepared hikers, climbers, car accident victims, drug overdoses, alcohol poisoning, raging case of herpes, teen pregnancy and on and on.............. I will happily contribute to the rescue of those seeking adventure with my tax dollars. Thing about BASE is it is soooooo small, a tiny blip on the radar as far as cost to the public although when it gors wrong it gets all sorts of coverage but that is a different issue. I feel pretty fuckin'good about living in a country where everyone gets rescued and everyone gets medical attention without insurance. Even those who are not citizens of this country! About the paying for yourself so no regulation is forced upon us(Tom's Point), again far more american than anything. I don't think your insurance covers you if you are breaking the law is this correct?! The same would apply here in Canada if we had insurance. If I am out doing legal jumps off our legal cliffs and something goes wrong we deserve to be helped just as any human being does and we will be. Equal treatment and I dare say after speaking with some rescue types that they are somewhat more happy to rescue those that are out pushing the limits a bit than those who are just too stupid to bring a rain jacket or proper foot wear. Happy Hucking in 2007 everybody!!!SabreDave Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #31 December 29, 2006 QuoteI don't think your insurance covers you if you are breaking the law is this correct?! Mine does. I had a very specific conversation with the underwriter about that. I layed out a scenario and asked him what they would cover. The scenario was an illegal building jump in which I damaged the building by breaking a window to exit from. The underwriter had no questions at all about rescue and liability (if I hit a car under the building they'd pay for that no problem). His real concern was the cost of the broken window (since I'd broken it intentionally). He had to go do research and check with higher ups, then got back to me and said that yes, they'd cover the broken window too. He even had several examples of cases in which they had paid out on roughly similar circumstances (for example, they paid out to cover the damage to a car that had been keyed by the teenage child of an insured party).-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SabreDave 0 #32 December 29, 2006 QuoteQuoteI don't think your insurance covers you if you are breaking the law is this correct?! Mine does. I had a very specific conversation with the underwriter about that........ He had to go do research and check with higher ups, then got back to me and said that yes, they'd cover the broken window too Well that does surprise me alot! And the premium for this kind of coverage was reasonable? Do you know offhand the difference between that kind of coverage and what it woul have cost you for the basics as a Joe Couch-er that takes very little risk in life? I thought most if not all policies had the right to with hold if you break the law, participtae in a riot, act of war, act of God etc etc etc................ INteresting, I stand correctedSabreDave Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MyTwoCents 0 #33 December 29, 2006 QuoteSo.......if you HAD a rescue you would go out of your way to make sure every penny of taxpayers money involved in said rescue was paid back by you?!?! I call BULLSHIT............. If you were lying there bleeding and dying I don't believe for one second you would just quietly die with a stiff upper lip because you wanted to face the consequences. What part of "consider yourself lucky" and "let sleeping dogs lie" did you not understand? If your government's tax and healthcare system allows for BASE help, by all means use it. After all, that is what you pay taxes for. But don't be surprised if non-BASE jumpers feel their part of those taxes can be spent better elsewhere. I don't think you're interested in paying more taxes, are you? QuoteYou would be screaming for help, for your mommy, for someone to save your ass if they could. Brave talk but utter bullshit, sorry buddy, gotta call it when I smell it! If you knew me, you'd know that my mom would be the last person I asked for. Furthermore, the last time BASE got me stuck I didn't cry. I called my groundcrew, asked them about if a rescue was possible, and gave them a message for some close friends in case anything should go wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #34 December 29, 2006 QuoteAnd the premium for this kind of coverage was reasonable? Around US$200 per year, with a limit to the coverage of US$ 1 million. QuoteDo you know offhand the difference between that kind of coverage and what it woul have cost you for the basics as a Joe Couch-er that takes very little risk in life? It's the same policy that Joe Coucher would buy, so I'd say it costs the same. The requirements are that you must have a certain amount of homeowners and auto insurance to qualify, and that those policies must be used first for incidents that they cover. The vast majority of people using these types of policies are using them to cover catch-all "risks" like defamation suits, or damage to other's property, or liability from rental properties. QuoteI thought most if not all policies had the right to with hold if you break the law, participtae in a riot, act of war, act of God etc etc etc......... Sure they do. They also have the right to pay out in those cases. But they're legally required to tell you if they will or will not, in advance, if you ask them a specific question. Paying out in those cases probably creates very little additional risk to them (since the number of those cases is very small) but gives them some additional marketing power when they try to sell you the policy.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms.sofaking 0 #35 December 30, 2006 Are you talking just rescue insurance? Or medical also? I think I want you to hook me up with your insurance agent."I'm not sure how it's going to turn out, except I'll die in the end, she said. So what could really go wrong? -----Brian Andreas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #36 December 30, 2006 QuoteAre you talking just rescue insurance? Or medical also? I think I want you to hook me up with your insurance agent. It's general liability insurance. It is _not_ health insurance, so it won't cover medical expenses. I have separate health insurance.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms.sofaking 0 #37 December 30, 2006 OK, that makes more sense.I thought you had access to some double top secret insurance none of us knew about.I think it's a shame the cost of insurance in the US.And although we all need it, I have to agree with Nick about the slippery slope involved in judging ones activities when they need help.If insured that's great, if not they still need help."I'm not sure how it's going to turn out, except I'll die in the end, she said. So what could really go wrong? -----Brian Andreas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
