New Riggers Please Be Careful

[mjosparky 4]

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There is much value in having a rig that does not require having tricks lined up.

Very good point.
Sparky

My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

[hookitt 1]

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There is much value in having a rig that does not require having tricks lined up.

Even Javelins require tricks. How often have you seen the pilot chute sticking up? Take a vector 2 for instance. I've shortened reserve closing loops 2 inches. Yes 2 full inches. A famous rigger packed up an Eclipse with a reserve closing loop of 7 inches when 4 3/4 works just fine. Wings are pretty popular now. Those took me a few tries to line up tricks to get the Pilot chute to sit properly. I still find them to be challenging. Think about that Javelin XRS with a PD113. Tell me that doesn't require tricks to cram in there nicely. Heck I find it quite humorous to watch a new rigger pack up a Mirage for the first time.

Having all the tricks lined up, made it simple to pack up rigs like the one I use.

I can respect not wanting to or even refusing to pack certain rigs. However tricks of the trade are easy to come by or may require some extra thought or a phone call. It's ok not to pack a rig for what ever reason you deem fit. I'm just pointing out that riggers do have to use "tricks"

My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto

[masterrig 1]

I had the biggest problem, trying to keep the pilotchute on a Wings seated. Like you, I had to do some e-mailing and phone calling, but, I learned a 'simple' trick from another rigger and now, get them looking right. Javelin - XRS with a 120 gave me fits! I still feel, Jump Shack has a great idea... smaller container... smaller pilotchute cap (same spring). It's all about the 'tricks'!

Chuck

[sunshine 2]

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I had the biggest problem, trying to keep the pilotchute on a Wings seated. Like you, I had to do some e-mailing and phone calling, but, I learned a 'simple' trick from another rigger and now, get them looking right

I still struggle with the wings...please pass along the simple trick.

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meow

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[masterrig 1]

Gladly! It, rather simple. The way it was explained to me was... shorter 'S'-folds at the bottom (less material), make looong ears and really fill-up the molors. Make and maintain a good 'hollow' for the pilotchute and keep the bulk of the pilotchute material toward the pilotchute cap yet, between the coils as per their instructions. After I've compressed the pilotchute, I'll reach in under the side-flaps and work the material toward the sides of the container with my thumbs and work the material back toward the bottom of the reserve container and away from the cap. I e-mailed Sunrise rigging and they were kind enough to send me 'loop-lengths' for their various containers. Follow manufacturer;s instructions!

Hope this helps!

Chuck

[PhreeZone 20]

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I e-mailed Sunrise rigging and they were kind enough to send me 'loop-lengths' for their various containers.

Any chance you could post that? I'd email Sunrise but I think it would be easier on them to have it posted once then have to reply to 50 requests for it.

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[sunshine 2]

I will give that a try. I'm buying a new container and it will be a wings. I almost didn't get a wings because i have so much trouble doing repacks on them, but i sucked it up and told myself i gotta learn at some point. Hopefully your little tricks will save me some headaches.

*yeah people, i really am a rigger. I'm not just an airheaded blonde chick...*

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meow

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[masterrig 1]

Here ya' go!

I quote from the e-mail I recieved from Sunrise Rigging:
We do not have predetermined loop lengths because, it has a tendency to cause hard pulls. It depends on the rigger and what container size and what canopies that you put in the container.

Here are however a few sizes. But these are not definate. these sizes are also before they have stretched.
Sizes W1 - 3: Loop 2 1/2" - 2 3/4"
Sizes W4 - 9: Loop 2 1/4"
Sizes W10 - 12: Loop 2 1/2"
Sizes W1 W5 W8 ext Loop 2 1/2" - 2 3/4"

Hope, this helps!

Chuck

[masterrig 1]

Just don't let it intimidate you... a human made it... you can pack it! Best of luck to you!

Chuck

[rigging65 0]

May your retirement treat you well! Try not to infect too many young riggers with your positive outlook.

"...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward.
For there you have been, and there you long to return..."

[mjosparky 4]

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May your retirement treat you well! Try not to infect too many young riggers with your positive outlook.

After closing an F-18 head box with a C-9 in it my out look is always positive. It happens to be more rigger friendly than a Reflex.
PS: I'll leave the young riggers to you.

My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

[sducoach 0]

Where do you think YOU are going?!?!?!?

"Old riggers never die, they just smell that way!"

Stay close my friend.

Blues,

J.E.

James 4:8

[masterrig 1]

You just flat, don't like Reflexes, do you? They can be a pain in the butt. The old saying was; 'Those damned Racers!' Seems like the Reflex took a lot of the heat off the Racer. Fortunately, I haven't had to do too many containers with cones. Take care.

Chuck

[mjosparky 4]

Chuck,
Who me, I don't like Reflexs? Na not me.
In the 70's we went through this 2 pilot chute thing. Anytime you have 2 pilot chutes, one always pulling against the other. When I saw 2 on the Reflex all I could think was if we don't learn from history we are sure to repeat it. I am not sure who said that, the guy who played Patton in the movie maybe. In any case, I feel there are too many areas that can be a problem. JMO.

J.E.
I am not going anywhere that I know of, just getting real picky about what I will pack.
Kudos to you, a couple of good threads. They got people to thinking and that will will help keep some of them alive.

PS: Chuck, I will take cones any day.

Sparky

My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

[masterrig 1]

Well said, Sparkey! I believe, it was the military, who worked on the idea of two pilot chutes and it didn't work! As I recall, there is a statement in the owner's manual for the Reflex that states the secondary pilot chute may be removed. I have had discussions about this with Reflex owners and wound-up removing them... at their request.
I've never had 'formal' training in regard to closing cones... I toughed it out!. Just outa curiosity and also, I'm low on blood-pressure med. how do you handle them??? Thanks a bunch!

Chuck
P.S. Glad to hear you're not going anywhere!

[mjosparky 4]

There is no secret. It is just muscle. If you run a pull cord through the third cone down on a back pack you can pull that cone in place and then the bottom one will be fairly easy. Next do the same with the top cone and the 2nd. cone. On a chest mount, close it up without the PC in and park your car on it overnight. In the morning put the PC in. Piece of cake.
Sparky

My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

[masterrig 1]

Thanks, Sparky! You make it sound so easy! Most of what I get with cones, are seats. Not rated for chests. I've thought about going back and getting that rating, but... at my age!? 100 of the same type! Sheesh! I'd have to start pilates or something! Thanks, again!

Chuck

[mjosparky 4]

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Thanks, Sparky! You make it sound so easy! Most of what I get with cones, are seats. Not rated for chests. I've thought about going back and getting that rating, but... at my age!? 100 of the same type! Sheesh! I'd have to start pilates or something! Thanks, again!

Chuck

You are/were smart. There are a lot more seat rigs around then there are chest.
Sparky

My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

[masterrig 1]

I do a lot of work for pilots and sailplane pilots as well as skydivers. So, I felt, that seats would be the best route toward being a master rigger. Thanks for the kind words.

Chuck