cbrummett 0 #1 April 20, 2004 I just finished my AFF and am thinking of buying a Sabre2 260 for my first rig. Am I on the right track? I'm 6'3" and 250 lbs. Pretty physically fit. Could trim the middle a bit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisL 2 #2 April 20, 2004 You will geta lot of responses saying you should "Ask your instructor" and also that you didnt give any information on which someone might offer an opinion. Like, what would your wing loading be under that 260? How many jumps? Stuff like that. You should really talk to your instructors and see what they recommend. They've seen you fly.__ My mighty steed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbrummett 0 #3 April 20, 2004 I've had a whopping 7 jumps and am cleared to unsupervised jumps. I weigh 250 and am 6ft 3inches tall. Pretty fit but could trim some off the middle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #4 April 20, 2004 Talk to your instructors. They've seen you fly and land a canopy, they will be your best source of information on what size canopies might be right for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kimblair13 0 #5 April 20, 2004 is there gear to rent at your dz? IMHO buying a rig first off is a waste cuz your just gonna downsize soon anyway. but everyone else on here will tell you to never downsize. just do what you want and what your instructors think you should do. all your gonna get from people here is a bunch of rubbish that wasn't related to your question in the first place. but seriously...rent stuff would be best until you have some more jumps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #6 April 21, 2004 Wow, you're question is a tough one because you have some size to you. Some instructors will offer good size advice. People of your size have certain advantages and disadvantages. The advantage is you've already been wingloading a canopy enough so it responds to toggle input. Lighter folks aren't subject to responsive canopies untill much later One disadvantage is trying to figure out gear choice. Chances are you've already jumped a canopy fairly close to the size you'll want for the next 1 or 2 hundred jumps. First question, What you were flying during the student program? I'm guessing it wasn't much bigger than the 260 you're looking at.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #7 April 21, 2004 Hi Clayton, First, the advice to rely on guidance from your instructors is sound. If I were you I would rely very heavily on their advice at this point (early) in your skydiving career. Second, why the poll? I really don't understand the purpose of it. Please explain.Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #8 April 21, 2004 You're wrong kimblair13. I'd never tell any one to never downsize. I'm a bit more progressive than that. There are plenty of reasons to stick with certain canopies. One of the biggest reasons is truly learning what a parachute will do. Up untill the newer coaching programs came about, hardly any one was exploring the flight characteristics of the canopy they were under. It was common with larger f-111 canopies. When parachutes like the Sabre came out, we had the advantage believe it or not. Now people are just going straight to them and missing out on a big part of learning. I'll give you a great example. A girl at our DZ wanted to learn to swoop. Well.. with the 27 jumps she had under her belt that wasn't going to happen right away. So, I had a talk with her about stalling and backspins and just plain ole trashing the heck out of her sabre during flight. She probably wingloads the canopy (Sabre 150) 1 to 1 or there abouts. She started learning right away. She also lost alot of gear fear and gained much respect for what she was flying. Would I be safe to assume you've never performed a backspin or stalled your canopy for 500 feet? Or am I completely mistaken? Sure there's a lot of Generic ask your instructor posts but often it's valid. Oh, and it keeps the politically correct internet skydivers happy Many of us do our best to help guide others. I promise you there are things I've done that really don't need repeating. It may be tiring sometimes but there are folks out there that do actually know better. Progression is the key. Downsize when it's time. I've asked people to downsize before because they were getting way to radical on their current canopy. It was time to step up ( or down so to speak). Kapish?My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #9 April 21, 2004 Kimberly, I feel that you clouded some very sound advice with some unnecessary comments that were not very constructive to the thread. QuoteIMHO buying a rig first off is a waste cuz your just gonna downsize soon anyway. but everyone else on here will tell you to never downsize. Rather presumptuous and judgemental of you to sum up the qualified advice of the wealth of highly experienced instructors that post in these forums. Quoteall your gonna get from people here is a bunch of rubbish that wasn't related to your question in the first place. Do you realize that you just disqualified your own opinion? Yet another highly judgemental comment. Please think before you post. Quotebut seriously...rent stuff would be best until you have some more jumps. I agree with you here. Clayton has an advantage over others in that most student gear is sized such that he will be able to safely downsize over time and under supervision by renting student gear that will likely be in the size range he will stay with anyway.Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kimblair13 0 #10 April 21, 2004 OK...my post was simply to let cbrumett know that he was going to get a lot of advice he wasn't looking for. (See it's true...this post, part of hookitts post and even the moderators post have nothing to do with his question.) I know this from personal experience and reading thru other newbies posts that were responded to by those with more experience. Slotperfect: "Yet another highly judgemental comment" Umm...if you haven't noticed almost everyones post is "highly judgemental" that is human nature to think what you do/have/know is the best. You might argue that this isn't true, and therefore will be proving my point. Anywho. hookitt: my statement saying people here will tell cbrumett to never downsize was a sarcastic exaggeration, but not far from the truth. But people here do have VERY high standards to be able to downsize. That is a fact...read thru the posts. Slotperfect: "Rather presumptuous and judgemental of you to sum up the qualified advice of the wealth of highly experienced instructors that post in these forums." I don't think it was presumptuous and judgemental at all...it's not like I just made that up and nobody here does that. Again, read thru the posts and you will see it all over. "Clayton has an advantage over others in that most student gear is sized such that he will be able to safely downsize over time and under supervision by renting student gear that will likely be in the size range he will stay with anyway." now that is rather presumptuous and judgemental of you. Maybe cbrummett will become a jumping maniac and lose some weight and there will be no smaller gear for him to rent. Enough of this...I know I'm being presumptuous and judgemental, but you'll prob delete this post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrisFlyZ 0 #11 April 21, 2004 Do you fail to see that till you made your post, cbrumett was getting gear advise? Your post made people respond to it. These replies, as you say are not very relevant to the question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #12 April 21, 2004 What are we voting on? Ooh well I voted for new to skydiving Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbrummett 0 #13 April 22, 2004 My student jumps have been on a 300. Landings have been pretty good but could improve. Thanks for your imput. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites