cobaltdan 0 #1 April 21, 2004 This is just a fun post to show off some of the new technology we are developing at Atair. We have built what we believe is the the worlds elliptical wing. 37 cell , 60 ' + wing span, designed for 130 kt freefall deployment or ground launched deployments on a powered vehicle up to 2200 pounds suspended weight ! The wing is in testing now, and currently just amazing with dead stable performance and climb rates of 1200 fpm +. ok, who wants to pack it? daniel preston <><> www.atairaerospace.comDaniel Preston <><> atairaerodynamics.com (sport) atairaerospace.com (military) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meatbomb 0 #2 April 21, 2004 Care to put a square footage estimate on that baby? I think even I could load that under 1:1 --- Swoopert, CS-Aiiiiiii! Piccies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #3 April 21, 2004 thats one huge chute. out of curiosity, is there any reason why a powered parachute pilot would go for eliptical? better turn rates? better climb rates? MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cobaltdan 0 #4 April 21, 2004 700 sq' projected area. elliptical canopies are more efficient and our perfrom squares in almost every way. dan<><>Daniel Preston <><> atairaerodynamics.com (sport) atairaerospace.com (military) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #5 April 21, 2004 How does the performance compare to a paraglider of a similar size? And when do I get to drive that thing out of a skyvan? Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #6 April 22, 2004 Since I know nothing of the powered parachute realm - how often do they see freefall deployments?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #7 April 22, 2004 Quote37 cell , 60 ' + wing span, designed for 130 kt freefall deployment I was under the impression that this was out of the question... the more cells and lines you get the riskier it is to freefall deploy it. How does this work?www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrogNog 1 #8 April 22, 2004 QuoteSince I know nothing of the powered parachute realm - how often do they see freefall deployments? About once every half-dozen James Bond movies, I reckon. -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cobaltdan 0 #9 April 22, 2004 freefall deploying a wing for powered use has little sport application. it is intended for airdrop deployment in military applications. yes designing a high aspect ratio wing (paraglider) for freefall deployment is much more difficult than designing a low aspect wing. as to this wings performance it would be considered a dhv2. sincerely, dan<><>Daniel Preston <><> atairaerodynamics.com (sport) atairaerospace.com (military) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #10 April 23, 2004 now you must explain to all the non paraglider implicated people on the forum the different dhv levels... As far as I remember, a dhv2 would be kind of intermediate/advance paraglider, dhv1 being for beginner/intermediate, and dhv3 advanced/competition level. Am I right ??scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #11 April 23, 2004 Quotefreefall deploying a wing for powered use has little sport application. it is intended for airdrop deployment in military applications. I'm still confused... I'm assuming "airdrop deployment" means dropping things that aren't people. So why use a high performance wing? Why not just use a good old round?www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gus 1 #12 April 23, 2004 Hmmm, so when can we expect one around the 99 square foot mark? GusOutpatientsOnline.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #13 April 23, 2004 Accuracy and distance. They could drop it from miles away and fly it to the target almost silently. I just wanna see a 4 place powered parachute that can be launched from 14,000! How fun would that be?? Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerrcoin 0 #14 April 23, 2004 Quote out of curiosity, is there any reason why a powered parachute pilot would go for eliptical? better turn rates? better climb rates?Better efficiency and perofrmance by producing less drag (better L/D ratio), same as for skydivers. Turn rates would be better but not noticably. In any event sharp turns and tight spiraling are not desirable manoeuvres in powered and non-powered para-gliding as these cost you altitude and hence endurance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #15 April 25, 2004 QuoteAccuracy and distance. They could drop it from miles away and fly it to the target almost silently. I'm still not sure what "it" (the thing being dropped) is. I was assuming it's a "deadweight" type cargo (i.e. no power for propulsion or human for control), so if you wanted to drop it miles away from the target, what ensures that the wing takes to the proper heading on (or after) deployment? Is there some kind of remote control?www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueEyedMonster 0 #16 April 26, 2004 QuoteQuoteAccuracy and distance. They could drop it from miles away and fly it to the target almost silently. I'm still not sure what "it" (the thing being dropped) is. I was assuming it's a "deadweight" type cargo (i.e. no power for propulsion or human for control), so if you wanted to drop it miles away from the target, what ensures that the wing takes to the proper heading on (or after) deployment? Is there some kind of remote control? It's been a while since I've been to their site, but IIRC atair has developed a guidance system for bombs or cargo that will steer a canopy to a designated location, then spiral down to decend quickly (avoiding detection and becoming a target) then deploy a round at the last second to make for a somewhat soft landing. Something like this could be used to get supplies to a very specific spot without endangering the cargo planes dropping them. Bad guys got a unit pinned down? They're running out of ammo? Drop a few crates from 30 miles away and land it right on top of them. Sounds like a good idea to me. You sould check out out their site. Its pretty cool. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites