extreme 0 #1 May 10, 2004 Since I heard from some people that Javelin (normal and Odyssey) are way better than Wings, now I'm in doubt what container to buy. I never tried Odyssey so please help, is Odyssey that much better in any way than Wings and is it worth almost 500 USD difference and 9 weeks more delivery time? Thks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #2 May 10, 2004 QuoteJavelin (normal and Odyssey) are way better than Wings You're not gonna find that many people on here who will agree with that. Even where people prefer the Jav (or whatever) to the wings, most agree that the Wings is a very nice system. In my opinion - the main closing flap on the Jav goes the "wrong" way. ...but it's an excellent container dispite that, just like 90% of the market. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #3 May 10, 2004 i don't like the finishing touch on the jav. the wings is not the best i've seen but its pretty good. i like a more "streamlined" rig and wings does the job for me (and the price is right too) i also liked the micron and even PdF's legend looks cool. then again, i'm a bit biased... O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyboy62000 0 #4 May 10, 2004 I've owned both a Javelin and Wings and I prefer the Wings to the original Jav design. I like the Odyessy, but if I was going to choose between the two I would get a Wings with the cut in laterals (like on the Jav Odyessy) since they're offering them free this month, and I've been super happy with my Wings...plus the price makes a difference for me. AdamBlue Skies, Adam I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . — Antoine de Saint-Exupéry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #5 May 10, 2004 Its like anything else in this world, each system has advantages and each system has disadvantages. Saying that a Jav is "way better than Wings" is a HUGE step though. If you want, someday I'll tell you about how a borrowed Jav tried to kill me, but my Wings has been rock solid over the last 700 or so sport jumps I've put on it. Honestly, basically just aboue every rig from the "big boys" on the market today is a well built rig that is FF safe, so find the one you want, with the company backing it that you like and get it. It sounds like you've already made up your decision, though, and won't be happy unless you spend the extra money and wait the much longer time to get yourself a Jav Odyssey.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #6 May 10, 2004 QuoteIt sounds like you've already made up your decision, though, and won't be happy unless you spend the extra money and wait the much longer time to get yourself a Jav Odyssey. he he , nicely put "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicknitro71 0 #7 May 10, 2004 I own both a Wings and a Javelin. I also took a really good look at the Odyssey. I prefer the Wings by far. The Wing's construction, quality of stiching, and the attention to details is IMO superior. I also like the looks better and I do not like how the main flap closes on the Jav. One more thing, there are no BAD rigs on the market nowadays. I jumped a Dolphin for my first 300 jumps and I have never had a problem with it. The only rig that I think has a edge over all the others is the Vector III due to the skyhook, a feature I would love to add to all my containers (minus the CRW one).Memento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #8 May 10, 2004 "I'll tell you about how a borrowed Jav tried to kill me..." _______________________________________________- Hey, Dave! You know what they say about 'borrowed gear!' Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chrisky 0 #9 May 10, 2004 Quoteis Odyssey that much better in any way than Wings and is it worth almost 500 USD difference and 9 weeks more delivery time? Not at all. When i bought a container last year, i originally wanted an Odyssey, as i had a Jav before. Time to order, deliverytime was 20+ weeks. So i got a Wings instead... Best decision ever. There are a lot of people out there who simply like to stick with the biggest fish...The mind is like a parachute - it only works once it's open. From the edge you just see more. ... Not every Swooper hooks & not every Hooker swoops ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #10 May 10, 2004 QuoteWhen i bought a container last year, i originally wanted an Odyssey, as i had a Jav before. Time to order, deliverytime was 20+ weeks. So i got a Wings instead... That's exactly what happened to me. Wanted a Jav because I'd previously had a Jav and liked it, besides all my friends had Javs. Everybody has a Jav why would I want to be different? Er… because it meant waiting 6 months! My friend ordered a Jav 1 week before I ordered my Wings. I’ve had my Wings since the beginning of last October. My mate got his Jav 3 weeks ago! Thus if I’d ordered a Jav when I’d ordered my Wings I would have just got it two weeks ago and it would still be unjumped due to weather! Instead I’ve done nearly 100 jumps on my Wings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #11 May 10, 2004 Both are good rigs. If I had the spare cash today, I would order a Wings. Look at it this way, both rigs are improvements on the 20-year-old original concept. However, the Javelin Odyssey is the result of a bunch of minor improvements to an existing design, limited by the production line. Wings - on the other hand - had the luxury of the original designer (Henry P.) starting with a clean sheet of paper ten years later. This resulted Wings having a bunch of minor improvements (i.e. main pin cover). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tink1717 2 #12 May 10, 2004 Buy a Wings and be done with it. Wings has a more secure main flap closure, costs less and has a much better delivery time. What's not to like?Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #13 May 10, 2004 Based on the mistakes I've had to deal with on the last few Wings I've delt with, I would hesitate to recommend them.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #14 May 10, 2004 QuoteBased on the mistakes I've had to deal with on the last few Wings I've delt with, I would hesitate to recommend them such as? when i got mine there was a broken stich on the main lift web. my rigger told me it happens (shouldn't but it does) anyway, beside that, they were great, shipped it back from israel (even though i ordered it in the US) and send it back to me a few days later. i forgave them [inline face.gif] edit: damn smiley won't show here "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #15 May 10, 2004 Such as risers without an RSL ring, no stainless where stainless was requested, SkydiveUWE written incorrectly on the mudflap maybe? (Cheers for your help with that one JP - I'm still trying to prompt the committee to make up their mind about what they're gonna do with the rig... at the moment it's sat forlornly in my living room). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #16 May 10, 2004 oh, that really sux. i've heard it happen with most gear manufactures, but its never fun when it happens to you. i hope they'll fix you up like their reputation says they would O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #17 May 10, 2004 Oh, yeah - apparently (I've not been dealing with it directly - its the clubs committee's problem) they've been very helpful and we could have sent it back and had it all remedied and back to us by now (with a free reserve packjob at that) but the committee still hasnt decided whether or not it wants to bother sending it back for stainless or if a couple of gear bags wouldn't be a better way of spending the money. The replacement risers beat the rig back to England so that was a bit of a non-issue. The funny thing with the text on the mud flap is that they made exactly the same mistake as Sunpath did on the club Odyssey (ordered 6 months earlier rather than 4 weeks as with the Wings). As both co.s made exactly the same mistake the text on the two club rigs looks exactly the same after all! That's called serendipity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyinseivLP2 0 #18 May 10, 2004 I personally like my Wings better than the Oddesey. If money is an issue than go with the wings. I'd be interested if anyone can come up with a valid reason why the Wings is an inferior rig, it's not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #19 May 10, 2004 Lately quality control has left something to be desired, as well as marketing tacktics. I'm not a huge fan of the Javelin either.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #20 May 10, 2004 Why do you think the main pin cover is more secure?People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #21 May 11, 2004 Infinity. Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
extreme 0 #22 May 11, 2004 Thks, I made a definitive decision. I will order WINGS this week :-))) MANY THANKS TO ALL AND BLUE SKIES Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #23 May 11, 2004 good choice... i don't think you'll regret it. O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #24 May 11, 2004 QuoteWhy do you think the main pin cover is more secure? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wings style main pin covers can tuck deeper than Javelin and since they tuck into the same flap, that eliminates a dozen variables from the equation: loop length, pack density, fit on side flaps, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #25 May 11, 2004 Up-facing main pin flaps are infinitely more secure than "tuck under" varieties, especially in the larger sizes. I never had either of my personal Jav flaps come undone (XRS and RS Ody), but the larger student Ody's we had at Raeford came open on a regular basis. Conversely, the flaps on the student Wings containers we have at the Green Beret Parachute Club have not once come undone. Ultimately, it obviously comes down to personal preference, but if I were buying a "larger" rig, I would steer away from a rig which is known to have main-flap and riser-cover closure issues in those sizes. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
