Darw1n 0 #1 May 4, 2012 I've failed am AFF 5 four times and my confidence is getting real low. I'm going to the wind tunnell to practice. Anyone else have difficulties with this level!"...And once you have tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been, and there you long to return..." - Leonardo da Vinci Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #2 May 4, 2012 Did you survive? Then you didn't fail. You may not have moved on to the next category/level, but you're alive so you must have done something right. The tunnel is a great place to work on stability and spin issues. Be sure to let the tunnel folks know that you are doing AFF and the issues you are having (take your logbook with you). Don't give up. You can do this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strife 0 #3 May 4, 2012 yes its the only stage I repeated, managed the left 360 but not the right hand, reading the ozzie forum a few people have an issue with this stage, dont sweat it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #4 May 4, 2012 What specifically did your instructors tell you were the reasons for failing that level? No one can give advice to help if you don't tell us what the problem is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #5 May 4, 2012 ...and extremely few people can give you better advice than the instructors that are training and jumping with you. We can give pointers and such but the rule is.... Before you try anything, you clear it with your instructors first....always. Levels 4 and 5 are the ones that are most tricky for students. Here is where you are puting your turning skills to work. You already know how to initiate a turn and you probably already learned about stopping the turn. You did it on Level 2. Often, on Level 2, instructors inadvertently help you turn and stop turns. They don't do it on purpose but there you have it. Levels 4 and 5 you are doing it on your own with absolutely no assistance. That, for the most part, is why 4 and 5 are the ones most often repeated. No sweat. Keep on...you'll get it. 99.99% do. Maybe you haven't read Wendy Faulkner's logbook. It's a great read for those who may be getting discouraged. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AdamTheRock 0 #6 May 4, 2012 Don't ever think of it as failing. It's all a learning experiance. Are you getting the jumps filmed? If so review it with your instructor and see what you can change. Practice the jump on the ground over over and over! When you are going up in plane, close your eyes and visualise the jump. Just before you exit, take a few deep breaths to calm down. When doing the jump, relax and smile, have fun! Because being tense doesnt make fly very well! FYI This is what I did during my AFF and what the instructors told me!Quote Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JasonYergin 0 #7 May 5, 2012 No worries bro, you're gonna get it, just keep at it and of course follow the experienced people's, your instructors, lead and advise. Blue skies!!_________________________________ ...Don't Get Elimated!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skymama 37 #8 May 5, 2012 Welcome to the forums! She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PiLFy 3 #9 May 5, 2012 You list your home DZ as Deland. Have your instructors not mentioned this: http://skydiveu.com/pricing.php? An AFF jump costs you about $180. A minute in the tunnel only costs $22.50... Lots of people struggle w/AFF levels. You'll get through it, too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jclalor 12 #10 May 5, 2012 QuoteQuoteI've failed am AFF 5 four times and my confidence is getting real low. I'm going to the wind tunnell to practice. Anyone else have difficulties with this level! I had the same problem, and I repeated several AFF levels. I then spent 15mintes in the tunnel and it was well worth it, after 3 minutes in the tunnell, I was stable on my belly, a few minutes later I was doing turns.... it was great, the last 5 minutes in the tunnell I developed a pretty decent head-down. Bottom line, a few mintes in the tunnell and the AFF will (pardon the pun) be a breeze. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #11 May 5, 2012 It's hard to swallow when each level is expensive, but there is no such thing as a failed AFF level. It's a very foreign and un-natural skill-set that you're both learning and practicing all on the same jump. It really is a misconception that you're expected to master each freefall skill set the first, or even the second, time you practice it in the air. Consider: When you were learning to drive, did you nail parallel parking the first time you ever tried it, or even the second? Of course not; you practiced it multiple times, with plenty of mistakes, until you learned to get it right. And you did it without massive sensory overload, fear, and risk of death. An AFF jump is not a test, it is training. Practice each skill set as many times as it takes to learn it, then move on to the next skill set. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JasonYergin 0 #12 May 7, 2012 Yeah, what they said! ..... And let us know how you're doing. I know I can't help but wonder a little bit._________________________________ ...Don't Get Elimated!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darw1n 0 #13 May 10, 2012 I'm going to the tunnell on sat then jumping Sunday morning."...And once you have tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been, and there you long to return..." - Leonardo da Vinci Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites faulknerwn 38 #14 May 12, 2012 The wind tunnel should help you tons. Read my student logbook - I was less than stellar myself :) http://crwdog.servebeer.com/CRWdog/HowCRW.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darw1n 0 #15 May 13, 2012 I finally passed my lvl 5 this morning! Good times!"...And once you have tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been, and there you long to return..." - Leonardo da Vinci Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skymama 37 #16 May 13, 2012 Great news! Way to persevere!She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darw1n 0 #17 May 13, 2012 Thank you!"...And once you have tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been, and there you long to return..." - Leonardo da Vinci Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PiLFy 3 #18 May 13, 2012 Quote Great news! Way to persevere! Meh... A SkyMama on Mamma's Day. Oh, the irony... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darw1n 0 #19 May 16, 2012 Passed level 6 now on to 7!"...And once you have tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been, and there you long to return..." - Leonardo da Vinci Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darw1n 0 #20 May 18, 2012 Passed my lvl 7 today!"...And once you have tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been, and there you long to return..." - Leonardo da Vinci Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #21 May 21, 2012 Congrats!!! Enjoy that first solo, it's an amazing experience. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NMD 0 #22 May 22, 2012 hey man i failed stage 4 nine or ten times, it gets you in the worst mood but when you finally pass its the best feeling ever Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darw1n 0 #23 May 22, 2012 Yes I did leave me very discouraged at the time. I have since passed and did two solos so far. It was one of the best times of my life."...And once you have tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been, and there you long to return..." - Leonardo da Vinci Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites COA 0 #24 May 23, 2012 QuoteYes I did leave me very discouraged at the time. I have since passed and did two solos so far. It was one of the best times of my life. I don't know if you will now have the same experience as me but when I graduated to the Consolidation jumps I found that everything I was doing just got better and better, my technique, form and - especially - my confidence was high. I think it might have had something to do with there being no pressure while under the scrutiny of the instructors so I could just concentrate on visualising what I had to get done on every consol jump and just doing it...and it worked. And this may be premature to say this at this time but when you do your Lvl 8 at around 5000 ft, don't worry because you've actually got more time than it actually seems. When I jumped I was free-falling for about 7 seconds to ensure stability before I pulled. (So don't rush it.) And it was a sweet feeling indeed. (I could've cried on that drive back home.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #25 May 26, 2012 Quote i failed Sigh. 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JasonYergin 0 #7 May 5, 2012 No worries bro, you're gonna get it, just keep at it and of course follow the experienced people's, your instructors, lead and advise. Blue skies!!_________________________________ ...Don't Get Elimated!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymama 37 #8 May 5, 2012 Welcome to the forums! She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PiLFy 3 #9 May 5, 2012 You list your home DZ as Deland. Have your instructors not mentioned this: http://skydiveu.com/pricing.php? An AFF jump costs you about $180. A minute in the tunnel only costs $22.50... Lots of people struggle w/AFF levels. You'll get through it, too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #10 May 5, 2012 QuoteQuoteI've failed am AFF 5 four times and my confidence is getting real low. I'm going to the wind tunnell to practice. Anyone else have difficulties with this level! I had the same problem, and I repeated several AFF levels. I then spent 15mintes in the tunnel and it was well worth it, after 3 minutes in the tunnell, I was stable on my belly, a few minutes later I was doing turns.... it was great, the last 5 minutes in the tunnell I developed a pretty decent head-down. Bottom line, a few mintes in the tunnell and the AFF will (pardon the pun) be a breeze. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #11 May 5, 2012 It's hard to swallow when each level is expensive, but there is no such thing as a failed AFF level. It's a very foreign and un-natural skill-set that you're both learning and practicing all on the same jump. It really is a misconception that you're expected to master each freefall skill set the first, or even the second, time you practice it in the air. Consider: When you were learning to drive, did you nail parallel parking the first time you ever tried it, or even the second? Of course not; you practiced it multiple times, with plenty of mistakes, until you learned to get it right. And you did it without massive sensory overload, fear, and risk of death. An AFF jump is not a test, it is training. Practice each skill set as many times as it takes to learn it, then move on to the next skill set. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JasonYergin 0 #12 May 7, 2012 Yeah, what they said! ..... And let us know how you're doing. I know I can't help but wonder a little bit._________________________________ ...Don't Get Elimated!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darw1n 0 #13 May 10, 2012 I'm going to the tunnell on sat then jumping Sunday morning."...And once you have tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been, and there you long to return..." - Leonardo da Vinci Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
faulknerwn 38 #14 May 12, 2012 The wind tunnel should help you tons. Read my student logbook - I was less than stellar myself :) http://crwdog.servebeer.com/CRWdog/HowCRW.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darw1n 0 #15 May 13, 2012 I finally passed my lvl 5 this morning! Good times!"...And once you have tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been, and there you long to return..." - Leonardo da Vinci Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymama 37 #16 May 13, 2012 Great news! Way to persevere!She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darw1n 0 #17 May 13, 2012 Thank you!"...And once you have tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been, and there you long to return..." - Leonardo da Vinci Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PiLFy 3 #18 May 13, 2012 Quote Great news! Way to persevere! Meh... A SkyMama on Mamma's Day. Oh, the irony... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darw1n 0 #19 May 16, 2012 Passed level 6 now on to 7!"...And once you have tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been, and there you long to return..." - Leonardo da Vinci Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darw1n 0 #20 May 18, 2012 Passed my lvl 7 today!"...And once you have tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been, and there you long to return..." - Leonardo da Vinci Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #21 May 21, 2012 Congrats!!! Enjoy that first solo, it's an amazing experience. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NMD 0 #22 May 22, 2012 hey man i failed stage 4 nine or ten times, it gets you in the worst mood but when you finally pass its the best feeling ever Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darw1n 0 #23 May 22, 2012 Yes I did leave me very discouraged at the time. I have since passed and did two solos so far. It was one of the best times of my life."...And once you have tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been, and there you long to return..." - Leonardo da Vinci Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
COA 0 #24 May 23, 2012 QuoteYes I did leave me very discouraged at the time. I have since passed and did two solos so far. It was one of the best times of my life. I don't know if you will now have the same experience as me but when I graduated to the Consolidation jumps I found that everything I was doing just got better and better, my technique, form and - especially - my confidence was high. I think it might have had something to do with there being no pressure while under the scrutiny of the instructors so I could just concentrate on visualising what I had to get done on every consol jump and just doing it...and it worked. And this may be premature to say this at this time but when you do your Lvl 8 at around 5000 ft, don't worry because you've actually got more time than it actually seems. When I jumped I was free-falling for about 7 seconds to ensure stability before I pulled. (So don't rush it.) And it was a sweet feeling indeed. (I could've cried on that drive back home.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #25 May 26, 2012 Quote i failed Sigh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
