thumpper 0 #1 June 18, 2004 Hi I am looking at getting a new canopy (around a 150) What is the least ground hungry elliptical or semi elliptical canopy???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #2 June 18, 2004 Define 'ground hungry'. There is 2 definitions in use. 1) gets to the ground quickly, or 2) has a steep glide angle. You can have a canopy w/o a steep glide angle that still gets to the ground quickly. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theskydiveguy 0 #3 June 18, 2004 Not mine ~Jeff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #4 June 18, 2004 Im not sure about the straight decent rate, but the safire2 has awesome glide and a very short recovery arc. You can make a lot of canopies not ground hungry (english?) buy just flying them. But the safire2 is a great mid range canopy. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teason 0 #5 June 18, 2004 If you don't want something ground hungry, why eliptical? I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #6 June 18, 2004 Elliptical does not directly equate to ground hungry. A Stiletto glides better then a Triathlon for instance.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityGirl 0 #7 June 18, 2004 I like the Pilot so far, based on your criteria. It has a decent glide ratio. Add a bit of brakes, and it has an amazing glide! Better yet, take it deep and you can sink it in if need be. It makes a most excellent "long spot" or "landing out" choice. It is tapered, or as some prefer to label it, Semi-Eliptical. Does very well in and out of turns. Where are you? Maybe you can get hooked up with a demo. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DancingFlame 0 #8 June 18, 2004 QuoteI like the Pilot so far, based on your criteria. That's what I was going to tell. Pilot has very decent glide ratio. However, I dislike Pilot's oversteer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #9 June 18, 2004 Safire2 Fusion Nitronscissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sid 1 #10 June 18, 2004 QuoteHi I am looking at getting a new canopy (around a 150) What is the least ground hungry elliptical or semi elliptical canopy???? In November I got the Firebolt 164 from Jumpshack. This is a truly awesome FULLY elliptical canopy that, in my opinion, has the greatest versatility of any canopy out there. With front riser or toggle input I can dive it to the ground, or with rear risers or light toggle input I can flatten that thing out and glide back from horrendous spots (Thanks Tom!). It also has great openings and a good flare. Do yourself a favor and contact them for a demo.....Pete Draper, Just because my life plan is written on the back of a Hooter's Napkin, it's still a life plan.... right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityGirl 0 #11 June 18, 2004 QuoteQuoteI like the Pilot so far, based on your criteria. That's what I was going to tell. Pilot has very decent glide ratio. However, I dislike Pilot's oversteer. Explain oversteer. Is it as in, "When a new jumper, trys an unfamiliar canopy, they tend to oversteer? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #12 June 18, 2004 QuoteExplain oversteer. Oversteer is how much the canopy continues to turn after all control input is removed. For example, the Sigma tandem main has more oversteer than the Icarus tandem main. On the Sigmas I had to let the toggle up a full 180-degrees from where I wanted to roll out of a hard spiral. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityGirl 0 #13 June 18, 2004 I guess I was being a bit sarcastic. But thanks for the constructive information. I have to remember that the typed word is FAR different than the spoken word. When I jumped the Pilot demos, I felt they went into and came out of the turns very gracefully. We have several demos in my store, and I have been keeping a keen eye on their performance. So the post that stated he didn't like the "oversteer" seemed out of left field to me. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrogNog 1 #14 June 18, 2004 QuoteQuoteI like the Pilot so far, based on your criteria. That's what I was going to tell. Pilot has very decent glide ratio. However, I dislike Pilot's oversteer. I have a Hornet (same as Pilot) and I don't mind the oversteer. I've just gotten used to it. However, I can see how someone who has flown something better could dislike it. -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #15 June 18, 2004 Quote have a Hornet (same as Pilot) ??? thats news to me....Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #16 June 18, 2004 The Pilot is a ground up fresh design. It has very little in common with the Hornet Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #17 June 18, 2004 >> It has very little in common with the Hornet << Color coded line attachments... ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teason 0 #18 June 18, 2004 QuoteElliptical does not directly equate to ground hungry. A Stiletto glides better then a Triathlon for instance. I thought he was refering to turns, not flat glides. QuoteI would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nebonyr 0 #19 June 19, 2004 Ladies and gentlemen, and what would you say about Cobalt 150? Could it match the criteria? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DancingFlame 0 #20 June 21, 2004 Cobalt is fully elliptical canopy. I would not recommend it to you. As I see, you're jumping at Aerograd Kolomna. So, ask Roman Lednev or Sergey Kodintsev, they will explain why you won't be allowed to fly a Cobalt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DancingFlame 0 #21 June 21, 2004 QuoteExplain oversteer. Hooknswoop did it better than I could. I can't say for all Pilot canopies, but Pilot-132 Aubrey brought to Aerograd definitely has oversteer, while my Safire or Spectres I accidentally jump do not have oversteer. However, I should say Pilot is really great canopy. Aubrey, thank you for your demo tour! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cobaltdan 0 #22 June 21, 2004 the cobalt planform is 5 center cells completely square with the outer 2 cells on each side having a linear taper. at high wing loadings the cobalt is a fun canopy for experienced pilots and at low wingloadings it is equally suitable for anyone safe flying a sabre or safire. Note: The "space" was a canopy produced with identical planfrom/airfoil/trim and was extremely successful as a canopy for low experienced jumpers. sincerely, daniel preston atair <><> www.atairaerospace.comDaniel Preston <><> atairaerodynamics.com (sport) atairaerospace.com (military) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nebonyr 0 #23 June 21, 2004 Hi, Max, it's Roman. I asked you of the altimeter yesterday ;) Actually, I would also say that Cobalt (surely not Cobalt Competion) is intended for a variety of skydivers depending on the wingloading and experience. I recommend you :)) to visit their web-site www.extremefly.com :) Well, I'll talk to Sergey anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #24 June 22, 2004 The question is somewhat vague - there are a lot of factors that go into glide ratio, starting with the type of canopy, but including wingload, trim settings, aerodynamic efficiency (collapsible PC, slider, etc). It's hard to say that any one canopy has a better glide ratio than every other canopy for all situations. If you're currently jumping a Triathalon, you will find much "flatter" angles on landing with any 9-cell canopy. I have a Triathalon and a Lotus, and the Lotus is so much nicer on opening, flying and landing, that I rarely use the Tri anymore.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #25 June 22, 2004 Least ground-hungery canopy: http://www.paraflite.com/html/paris.html "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
