Incorrectly setup rig?

[pertierr 0]

At the risk of sounding like a total idiot, here goes.

I just got my first rig. I'm a beginner, and I haven't taken it to my dropzone yet but i found something that just doesn't make sense to me.

I have taken a picture of what the lines look like from the slider down to the container. I am holding up the slider, so the lines coming towards the camera go through the slider fine and up to the canopy clean. Does that look right?

Here's the pic:
http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~pertierr/rig.jpg

Please tell me i'm just dumb.

[Hooknswoop 19]

It's 'probably' hooked up correctly. That is a picture of a step-through. flip the container through the lines. If it gets worse, go the other direction twice. Then do a complete line-check.

Edit: Oh ya, get PD Slinks

Derek

[pertierr 0]

That did the trick.

Ahhh i love being a newbie...the weird looks...the hard openings...embarrasing landings... :D

[masterrig 1]

Just think. The more you do... the better you get! Keep asking questions. The only 'dumb' question is the question not asked.

Chuck

[bch7773 0]

yeah the dumbest thing you could have done was to ignore the problem, not ask anyone, and jump that rig as it was set up. so you did the right thing

MB 3528, RB 1182

[jmfreefly 0]

At least he is using a good synthetic..
j

[pertierr 0]

So another quick question(and thanks for all the replies!)

I've been practicing packing the safire as Icarus suggests(psycho), but when i get to the point where i have the canopy in the bag, icarus says to follow my container's instructions, and the container says to follow the canopy's instructions.

I have no idea how to close the bag. I have one of those bags witht he bright orange rubber bands on them, not sure how they close though.

I'm just learning as much as I can before i take my packing class...it kinda makes me wonder why they don't have better instructions online though...it's not like we're building a toy airplane here, i'd expect details and LARGE pictures. :)

It would also be nice to get the bag in the container instead of having to walk to the DZ with a trash bag....you know, the weird looks thing.

Thanks again,
Juan

[fjd 0]

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So another quick question(and thanks for all the replies!)

I've been practicing packing the safire as Icarus suggests(psycho), but when i get to the point where i have the canopy in the bag, icarus says to follow my container's instructions, and the container says to follow the canopy's instructions.

I have no idea how to close the bag. I have one of those bags witht he bright orange rubber bands on them, not sure how they close though.

I'm just learning as much as I can before i take my packing class...it kinda makes me wonder why they don't have better instructions online though...it's not like we're building a toy airplane here, i'd expect details and LARGE pictures. :)

It would also be nice to get the bag in the container instead of having to walk to the DZ with a trash bag....you know, the weird looks thing.

Thanks again,
Juan

The D-bag is considered part of the container. How to close it should be spelled out in the owner's manual for the container. I know that my Javelin does.

I couldn't tell from the picture what your container is. Mirage, maybe?? I'd be very surprised, if the manual did not have specific instructions as to how to close the D-bag. The photos may not contain the level of detail that you desire as a beginner packer, however.

I also know that the manual for Icarus canopies tells you to refer to the container manual, but has a couple of nice color pictures of how the stows have to be done.

Worse comes worst, just close it the way you think it should be done. Then bring the rig to your DZ and repack it under supervision or in a packing class. you'll be surprised how much you learn AFTER you make the mistakes.

Oh, one more advice. Make sure that the stow bites are large enough. Generally 2 to 3 inches are recommended.

Good luck!

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[masher 1]

2-3 inches??!

That's a mite big isn't it? I know I got chewed out for putting 2" line stows in some student gear. I use about 1.5" stows on my personal gear.

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[hookitt 1]

Nope.. that's quite acceptable.

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[fjd 0]

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2-3 inches??!

That's a mite big isn't it? I know I got chewed out for putting 2" line stows in some student gear. I use about 1.5" stows on my personal gear.

you know, your question got me thinking.

i always make my stow bights big enough -- somewhere around 2 1/2 inches. the logic behind that is to prevent out of sequence deployment, which is rarely fun.

but then again, if a stow bight is too big to the extent that it is catching the bight next to it, then it could potentially lead to a bag lock.

i'll tell you what. i'm going to look into what various manufacturers recommend and let you know what they all say.

stay tuned.

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[fjd 0]

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2-3 inches??!

That's a mite big isn't it? I know I got chewed out for putting 2" line stows in some student gear. I use about 1.5" stows on my personal gear.

you know, your question got me thinking.

i always make my stow bights big enough -- somewhere around 2 1/2 inches. the logic behind that is to prevent out of sequence deployment, which is rarely fun.

but then again, if a stow bight is too big to the extent that it is catching the bight next to it, then it could potentially lead to a bag lock.

i'll tell you what. i'm going to look into what various manufacturers recommend and let you know what they all say.

stay tuned.

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ok. did a quick check around the manuals of some of the container manufacturers.

Sunpath (Javelin) and Sunrise Rigging (Wings) didn't seem to have any specific instructions regarding the size of the bights in their owner's manual.

Relative Workshop (Vector) recommends 1 to 2 inches. Mirage recommends starting with 2 1/2 inches and gradually making them smaller.

i'm sticking with my 2 1/2 inches. i'll take a bag lock over an out-of-sequence opening any day.

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[Hooknswoop 19]

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i'll take a bag lock over an out-of-sequence opening any day.

As long as the locking stows stay put until line stretch, you'll have a normal opening. If you make your stows too big, you could have a bag-lock.

Derek

[pertierr 0]

Could someone give me a description of a couple of psycho pack steps:

Basically I think i understand from the start to the part where you have all the tips of the cells between your knees, but after that i'm not sure i understand the rest of the flaking before you pull the tail over the slider.

i.e. images 5,6,7,8 in
http://www.icaruscanopies.com/canopies/Safire/packing.htm

I basically can't get the canopy to look like it does in 7,8.

Thanks a bunch for taking the time. :)

[Chrisky 0]

Pic 7 shows the linegroups neatly in the center of the packjob, all lines of a group stretched nicely. Note that the Packer holds the slider up to show this, so it's out of view.

Pic 8 shows all the lines even closer (maybe tucked in a little) in the center of the Packjob with the slider centered (quartered/cloverleaved) between the linegroups.

Keeping the linegroups in the center of the packjob is elemental to prevent lineover mals.

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