sabre2

[jtval 0]

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most jumpers like the sabre2. I am thinking of going from a sabre1 170 to a sabre2 150.

( i demo'd a sabre2 150 at perris...liked it)
I am wondeirng about the opening.
currently on my 170 I have pockets sewn on the slider. are the openings soft on the "NEW" sabres?

please give me your personal experience with these canopies. please include wingloading and number of jump on your sabre 2 thanks!

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[AggieDave 6]

Sabre2 210 1.2:1
Sabre2 190 1.4:1
Sabre2 170 1.7:1
Sabre2 150 1.9:1

All in all I probably have 80 jumps spread out across those canopies.

At all of those wingloadings I found the openings to be soft and reasonably consistant for heading. I honestly believe that the majority of folks having the problems with all the off heading openings just don't know how to fly the canopy while its opening.

Up until I got to the 1.9 wingloading they all flew great, I'd say keep the wingloading to 1.7 or below, since it seemed to seriously loose performance after that. It also seemed that being loaded at about 1.4:1 really makes this canopy fly, really fly.

Compared to the old Sabres, there is no similarity except name and number of cells. They fly totally different, the Sabre2 being a much better canopy, IMHO.

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[jtval 0]

Thanks Dave.
I kinda felt the same thing from what I read.

interested point on the 1.9 wingloading. I'll keep that in mind,

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[bkdice 0]

Hi there. I just got a new Sabre2 135. I had been jumping a Sabre 150 for my first 230 jumps or so off student status.

I demoed a Sabre2 150 and Safire2 149. I loved both, but I preferred the Sabre2's flare. I'm not doing high performance landings yet, but this canopy was just fun to land!

I've put 17 jumps on my new Sabre2 135 loaded at 1.07 (I had put 16 jumps on the demo 150) . It has given me nice soft openings every time. I have had a few that were a little off heading, but I'm sure that my body position was part of it.

It's a responsive and fun canopy - but still conservative and forgiving at my wing loading. I think I can get a lot out of it and it will be a good and fun canopy for me for a few hundred jumps.
Hope that was somewhat helpful.

Bettina

[sunshine 2]

500ish jumps on a sabre2 170, loaded at 1:1. When packing, i've found that leaving the nose alone creates the best openings. The canopy can do some fun stuff in the air when you bury a toggle or play with risers. Me thinks you'll be happy with it.

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[pilotdave 0]

I probably have somewhere around 70 jumps on my Sabre2 135 (loaded around 1.05 or 1.1, depending on whether or not i'm wearing my weights
But the landings are great!

Dave

[mr2mk1g 10]

Demo. There are a couple of other canopies in this class which you may like just as much or more. That's a call really only you can make. They are all so similar it comes down to which you like the feel of most.

SabreII's a good canopy, I like the way it flys. I wouldn't hesitate to recomend it. However I can also say that about both it's main competitors, and personally would take either of them over the sabreII... but that's my choice.

Go demo all three and see what your choice is.

[falxori 0]

sabre2 170, loaded about 1.05:1 (depends on what i had for breakfast )
about 180 jumps on it.

- great canopy once its open and flying (i'll get back to that...)
- you can fly it calmly or take it for a ride
- landings are great, either on the spot or swoop
- openings could be better...
all of them were very soft and easy but i often get end cell closure (easily fixed with some rear riser input)
there are a lot of discussions about the "off heading" openings but i would describe it more as:
1: open on heading.
2: once fully (almost) inflated, decide to go for a spin (usually 90-180 deg).

even in the 2-3 times in which i had some line twists, it kept flying straight.

all in all, great canopy and i'm not keeping mine

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[ianmdrennan 2]

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2: once fully (almost) inflated, decide to go for a spin (usually 90-180 deg).

Almost 100% of the time attributed to harness input (i.e body position during inflation). This can easily be controlled by the harness throughout the deployment. Scott Miller had a great technique to prevent jumpers "favoring a side" and causing this kind of opening. Try putting your feet together evenly once upright throughout the entire deployment.

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Ian

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[pilotdave 0]

I'll try that next weekend. I think my legstrap hardware slips a little bit, and might not be perfectly even, which probably makes the problem worse. Although I had similar openings on my Reflex which didn't have that problem.

Dave

[jtval 0]

thanks for all the input!

it gives me a few more questrions to ask the person I am buying it from!

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[friflaj 0]

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2: once fully (almost) inflated, decide to go for a spin (usually 90-180 deg).

Yep, saw that here consistently too.

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Almost 100% of the time attributed to harness input (i.e body position during inflation). This can easily be controlled by the harness throughout the deployment.

Maybe so, but I jump a Stiletto otherwise and I have no issue whatsoever keeping that flying straight during opening, and the SabreII openings would vary from slightly off-heading (90 deg or so) to a 360 sharp dive that had me swinging almost horizontal... all after a smooth and on-heading stage 1 opening leaving some outer cells closed, one side would pop open before the other -> roller coaster ride. And were it just me I might have put it down to body position, but I know several others that love their SabreII but for their consistently erratic openings . Some have said it has to do with wingloading, I dunno.

I went with the SafireII. Yes, it does take some getting used to the deeper control range, but once you get used to it can easily match anything the SabreII can bring to the table.

As others said, demo a bunch of stuff, pick what you like. But you owe it to yourself to not blindly pick the SabreII because it's from PD.