freeasabird 0 #1 June 29, 2004 I have been shopping for a new (first) rig and have heard several people tell me how they value a rig by "parting" it out. In other words, $XXX for the main, $XXX for the container, etc. When it comes to the AAD (i.e. Cypres), everyone says to figure about $100 for every year of service left on it. However, no one distinguishes between the value of the old Cypres 1 versus the newer Cypres 2. Are both worth $100 per year of service left in it? I have a specific example to illustrate: A guy is selling a rig which has a 2 year old Cypres 1 in it. The Cypres needs new batteries. He says it is worth $1000 towards the value of the complete rig since it has 10 years of life left in it. However, I disagree. My reason for disagreeing is this: Why should I spend $1000 for something that is no longer the latest and greatest technology, which has 10 years left on it (vs. 12 years for the new Cypres 2), and for which I will need to spend $75 to $100 for new batteries every 2 years, including today (vs. every 4 years for Cypres 2)? Why not just spend the extra $200 for the brand new and improved Cypres 2? Please advise. Thanks.----- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityGirl 0 #2 June 29, 2004 Also, the Cypres was retailing for $800 - $950 before the Cypres2 came out. If it needs batteries, then take $125.00 off the current value. I would value this at $675 - $700 if it was in a used rig in my store. And that is being generous. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #3 June 29, 2004 HERE is a calculator you can use to figure the value of the used CYPRES 1. BTW - if it were me, I'd buy the CYPRES 2.Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #4 June 29, 2004 Remember the Cypres 2 offers no technical advantage over the Cypres 1. I don't hold with people's immediate assumption that the Cpyres 2 is an "improvement" on the Cypres 1. The only practical difference is that it is water resistant, and trust me, you wont want to be getting your gear wet anyway. It offers a slight financial improvement in that it requires battery changes half as often. Thats litterally it. There's nothing wrong with a cypres 1 if it's priced right, but it is worth taking account of its running costs vs. the cypres 2 running costs in this decision. One is not any safer than the other, it simply comes down to a difference of only a relatively few dollars over the course of it's life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #5 June 29, 2004 Quote The only practical difference is that it is water resistant, and trust me, you wont want to be getting your gear wet anyway. It offers a slight financial improvement in that it requires battery changes half as often. Thats litterally it. Its a complete redesign of the unit. Believe it or not parts are getting hard to come by for the original Cypres1's and Airtec sought out new suppliers for the parts to make a new unit. Cypres2's have improved circuit boards, new contoller/screen, better wiring, and general refinements from 12 years manufactoring the Cypres. About the only things unchanged are the air pressure sensor and the cutter. How hard is it to find parts for a 12 year old VCR or car?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #6 June 29, 2004 Accepted, but are they really differences you are actually going to notice? They're both going to fire at 750 at the same speed and with an acceptable reliability factor. I don't see any practical advantage in the newer model but for possible price differences/water resistance. Of course, all things being equal you'd take the 2 because as you say it's made with slightly more modern components. But the simple existence of a newer model doesn't immediately mean the old one is suddenly unsafe. It sometimes seems like that is being suggested and I think it’s a false concept to propagate. Where you can save jump money... is there really a reason why someone should spend more to get essentially the same thing? Are we going to be advised soon that we should abandon our 1 units in favour of a "safer" 2? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #7 June 29, 2004 You're in the driver's seat. The seller has over valued his used cypres. If you go for the deal he could buy the new Cypres 2 at the low cost of $200. I'd offer him $600. He can try and find another buyer but the clock is ticking on the value of his cypres. Personally, if I was planning to spend a grand on an AAD I'd buy the cypres 2. Someone else commented they feel the cypres 1 and 2 are qualitatively the same. Sure. All things being equal (and you've got the $$) buy the cypres 2. Ken"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crzjp20 0 #8 June 30, 2004 big rule in sales.... first person to name a number usually looses. work him down. but 1200 for a new one isnt that bad whn he wans 1000 for his....-------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
