josheezammit 0 #26 July 15, 2004 Quoteneither - eyes. You can’t expect to improve your jive by disjiving other jivers, all that does is interrupt the flow of the universal jive, to which we all serve, by our own individual jive patterns, unique to our area's funkadelic aqua-groove. Sucka! dude, i am so confused, i just don't know what to say...... Ahh, what a wonderful world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #27 July 15, 2004 QuoteFIELD SUPPORT Neptune has it at many dropzones. They have the people to help you out, and have spare parts on hand. Yeah, L&B has that too..... they are called "dealers"---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #28 July 15, 2004 Not really. The neptune reps can be just regular jumpers that don't sell skydiving gear. The protrack doesn't need them the same way because its software can't be updated. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueEyedMonster 0 #29 July 16, 2004 QuoteQuoteFIELD SUPPORT Neptune has it at many dropzones. They have the people to help you out, and have spare parts on hand. Yeah, L&B has that too..... they are called "dealers" HA ha, no a "dealer" is a is a sales person, and often has many responsibilities. A Field Rep does nothing but service and support. BIG DIFFERENCE Honest opinions and service from people that back a product because it is the best... and they want to help are a far cry from people that back a product because they make money selling them to you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #30 July 16, 2004 QuoteA Field Rep does nothing but service and support. Yeah, sometimes.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueEyedMonster 0 #31 July 16, 2004 QuoteQuoteA Field Rep does nothing but service and support. Yeah, right. "Altimaster Field Support participants are discouraged from selling Altimaster products, this program is intended to support our existing dealers." If you would like to read up on their field support program, please do so. http://www.alti-2.com/Altimaster_support.htm That's OK.... I'll help you take your foot out of your mouth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #32 July 16, 2004 QuoteI'll help you take your foot out of your mouth. Never put it in there. Discouraged and forbiden are two different things.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #33 July 16, 2004 QuoteNever put it in there. Discouraged and forbiden are two different things. You're coming off as a bit biased there, JP.... Who cares if they sell them too? It's nice to have a group of people around that can calibrate, upgrade, and check out your gear for you. L&B makes great equipment, but I haven't seen any spare parts for them, or live support, floating around at too many boogies. For the original question, personally, I keep a ProTrack in my helmet and a Neptune on my wrist.Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #34 July 16, 2004 QuoteYou're coming off as a bit biased there, JP.... That's funny, cause I am. QuoteWho cares if they sell them too? Their dealers. There are some great reps out there, some people who don't mind going out there and helping those that need it. But every "factory rep" program I've seen has eventualy cost dealers sales. Most manufacturers have dealers already, seems to me they should suport them more and ask them to service the customer, being that the dealers are the ones writing the checks to the manufacture for hundreds to thousands of units each year. (depending on the product of course) I stand by my statement that L&B has reps. They are called dealers and they will help you out however they can. Need a new clip for your audible, yeah a dealer has that. Need Batteries? Yeah got that too. Need your unit sent back overseas for repair/replacement? Oh yeah. Gotcha covered.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #35 July 16, 2004 Uh huh... and all alti-2 dealers should be required to have a computer with an IR port to do upgrades? And how much should they charge for this service? You jump at perris. I'm guessing you have dealers for everything there. In the real world, the rep program makes a lot of sense. It's just some jumper at your DZ that's capable of upgrading your neptune. My DZ sells neptunes but doesn't offer that service. So how would the dealer be hurt if I was upgrading other people's neptunes? It might be bad for protrack dealers... i can see that! Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #36 July 16, 2004 QuoteUh huh... and all alti-2 dealers should be required to have a computer with an IR port to do upgrades? And how much should they charge for this service? Depends. Does Alti-2 provide the equipment? (I know the answer to this one) I acctually enjoy the products and service Alti-2 has to offer. This discusion started because I've seen bad things out of previous rep programs. THis one is working so far. That and someone decided to slam L&B because they don't have "reps". I'm just about done arguing this one, as I'm just beating my head against the wall, but I'll leave you with a bit of a discusion I'm having with and ALti-2 rep. When asked how reps can hurt dealers I mentioned I don't sell very manu replacement lenses or wrist straps anymore. They replied that it wasn't nice to sell what they considered "free" replacement items. Hrmmmm, no one told me they were free. And if they are, why does ALti-2 continue to sell them to me, but give them away to reps for free?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #37 July 17, 2004 This discusion started because I've seen bad things out of previous rep programs. THis one is working so far. That and someone decided to slam L&B because they don't have "reps". Quote Actually they do JP. I needed a Protac serviced and contacted the home company. Their reply was to send it to a florida repair ( or replacement ) rep. The service was great and I had a new one in two weeks but it wasn't free. The cost was 35 bucks and well worth it to me. Since you deal with manufacturers everyday your mileage may be different than mine on customer service. I'm not complaining I think both companies are good but not everyone gets Carte blanche. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #38 July 17, 2004 Eh, I'm wondering why you sent it all the way to Florida, when you could have turned around and handed it to the local gear shop. And $35? Was that for shipping?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Thomson 0 #39 July 20, 2004 Well Neptune is the better one. Just swim a round in a pool with both and then go for a skydive! You will easy find out the difference. Greetings from Spain Alex-------------------------------------------------- I LOVE THE CUTAWAY HANDLE OF TONYS VECTOR! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DBCOOPER 5 #40 July 20, 2004 Neptune 1. Boogie support. I've had my analog altimeter checked for accuracy,lens replaced and a new wrist strap all for free, three times in five years.WFFC,CSS Easter Boogie,and the Herd Boogie. 2. Ease of programming.Much more intuitive than the Protrack. Much more. 3.Plan to use it as a wrist mount and still use a pro dytter as an audible.Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ManBird 0 #41 July 22, 2004 I use both: PROTRACK PROS: - Accurate and consistent (jump with multiple ProTracks with the same settings on the same spot on your body, the data will almost always match perfectly) - In SLO mode, the likelihood of an incorrect deployment report on wingsuit jumps is really low - JumpTrack is fast and easy to use - Awesome customer service - Unit is a little cheaper than Neptune - LONG battery life (in econ mode) - My favorite audible CONS: - 119s max log time - More work to set up / interface isn't as intuitive - Not a visual altimeter - Unable to upgrade firmware - JumpTrack is expensive (Paralog can be used instead) - Proprietary batteries :( - Not waterproof NEPTUNE PROS: - Unlimited freefall time logging - Upgradeable firmware - Fast and intuitive interface - CANOPY MODE! - Backlighting for night jumps - Software is cheap - Waterproof - Lots of data (time is a good one) - Awesome customer service - Can buy batteries at the grocery store or Radio Shack - My favorite visual altimeter CONS: - Data isn't nearly as consistent as ProTrack - Battery doesn't last as long - Likelihood of reporting a deloyment during wingsuit flight is pretty high (seems to report around 40 MPH)"¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ianmdrennan 2 #42 July 23, 2004 Looks like a pretty good list except one thing: Quote - Unit is a little cheaper than Neptune Last I checked neptune was 40 dollars cheaper than a protrack. The Protrack was running around 289 and the neptune around 249. Otherwise the rest seems pretty good although I'm up to almost 300 jumps on my neptune and still reading a full battery. Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ManBird 0 #43 July 23, 2004 Really? I haven't bought a ProTrack in awhile. I got mine for $200/in the box. Maybe it was just the Square1 hookup, or maybe the price has gone up. Not saying that the Neptune's battery life is bad (it's not). I've changed my ProTrack batteries twice in three years. A lot of people run into battery issues because they don't change the default settings."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiveNFlorida 0 #44 July 23, 2004 QuoteReally? I haven't bought a ProTrack in awhile. I got mine for $200/in the box. Maybe it was just the Square1 hookup, or maybe the price has gone up. Not saying that the Neptune's battery life is bad (it's not). I've changed my ProTrack batteries twice in three years. A lot of people run into battery issues because they don't change the default settings. I think the price is closer to 300$ for a new protrack. I got mine used for ~180$. Works just fine:) Angela. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 102 #45 July 24, 2004 Quote- JumpTrack is expensive (Paralog can be used instead) What is Paralog?People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Chrisky 0 #46 July 24, 2004 Maybe it's just the USD loosing value against the EURO and the Euro price is still the same... It's not a US-made item...The mind is like a parachute - it only works once it's open. From the edge you just see more. ... Not every Swooper hooks & not every Hooker swoops ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Chrisky 0 #47 July 24, 2004 LogBook Software.The mind is like a parachute - it only works once it's open. From the edge you just see more. ... Not every Swooper hooks & not every Hooker swoops ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites f1shlips 2 #48 July 24, 2004 After owning both I decided I liked the protrack better because I felt it was less gadgety. Once you get past the "terseness" of menuing system in the protrack, its straightforward to use. I only use my protrack to log jumps, not as an altimiter. My Neptune battery didn't last as long as my protrac batteries, although your mileage may vary. I no longer own a Neptune.-- drop zone (drop'zone) n. An incestuous sesspool of broken people. -- Attributed to a whuffo girlfriend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DBCOOPER 5 #49 August 2, 2004 QuoteOnce you get past the "terseness" Took me like 20 minutes to reset one after an airline roadtrip.That includes looking for the manual.Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,026 #50 August 2, 2004 Quote CONS: - 119s max log time Is that so? I was sure I had a birdman jump over 2 minutes but all Protrack showed was 119s. Maybe that explains it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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diablopilot 2 #38 July 17, 2004 Eh, I'm wondering why you sent it all the way to Florida, when you could have turned around and handed it to the local gear shop. And $35? Was that for shipping?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thomson 0 #39 July 20, 2004 Well Neptune is the better one. Just swim a round in a pool with both and then go for a skydive! You will easy find out the difference. Greetings from Spain Alex-------------------------------------------------- I LOVE THE CUTAWAY HANDLE OF TONYS VECTOR! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBCOOPER 5 #40 July 20, 2004 Neptune 1. Boogie support. I've had my analog altimeter checked for accuracy,lens replaced and a new wrist strap all for free, three times in five years.WFFC,CSS Easter Boogie,and the Herd Boogie. 2. Ease of programming.Much more intuitive than the Protrack. Much more. 3.Plan to use it as a wrist mount and still use a pro dytter as an audible.Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #41 July 22, 2004 I use both: PROTRACK PROS: - Accurate and consistent (jump with multiple ProTracks with the same settings on the same spot on your body, the data will almost always match perfectly) - In SLO mode, the likelihood of an incorrect deployment report on wingsuit jumps is really low - JumpTrack is fast and easy to use - Awesome customer service - Unit is a little cheaper than Neptune - LONG battery life (in econ mode) - My favorite audible CONS: - 119s max log time - More work to set up / interface isn't as intuitive - Not a visual altimeter - Unable to upgrade firmware - JumpTrack is expensive (Paralog can be used instead) - Proprietary batteries :( - Not waterproof NEPTUNE PROS: - Unlimited freefall time logging - Upgradeable firmware - Fast and intuitive interface - CANOPY MODE! - Backlighting for night jumps - Software is cheap - Waterproof - Lots of data (time is a good one) - Awesome customer service - Can buy batteries at the grocery store or Radio Shack - My favorite visual altimeter CONS: - Data isn't nearly as consistent as ProTrack - Battery doesn't last as long - Likelihood of reporting a deloyment during wingsuit flight is pretty high (seems to report around 40 MPH)"¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #42 July 23, 2004 Looks like a pretty good list except one thing: Quote - Unit is a little cheaper than Neptune Last I checked neptune was 40 dollars cheaper than a protrack. The Protrack was running around 289 and the neptune around 249. Otherwise the rest seems pretty good although I'm up to almost 300 jumps on my neptune and still reading a full battery. Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #43 July 23, 2004 Really? I haven't bought a ProTrack in awhile. I got mine for $200/in the box. Maybe it was just the Square1 hookup, or maybe the price has gone up. Not saying that the Neptune's battery life is bad (it's not). I've changed my ProTrack batteries twice in three years. A lot of people run into battery issues because they don't change the default settings."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveNFlorida 0 #44 July 23, 2004 QuoteReally? I haven't bought a ProTrack in awhile. I got mine for $200/in the box. Maybe it was just the Square1 hookup, or maybe the price has gone up. Not saying that the Neptune's battery life is bad (it's not). I've changed my ProTrack batteries twice in three years. A lot of people run into battery issues because they don't change the default settings. I think the price is closer to 300$ for a new protrack. I got mine used for ~180$. Works just fine:) Angela. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #45 July 24, 2004 Quote- JumpTrack is expensive (Paralog can be used instead) What is Paralog?People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chrisky 0 #46 July 24, 2004 Maybe it's just the USD loosing value against the EURO and the Euro price is still the same... It's not a US-made item...The mind is like a parachute - it only works once it's open. From the edge you just see more. ... Not every Swooper hooks & not every Hooker swoops ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chrisky 0 #47 July 24, 2004 LogBook Software.The mind is like a parachute - it only works once it's open. From the edge you just see more. ... Not every Swooper hooks & not every Hooker swoops ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f1shlips 2 #48 July 24, 2004 After owning both I decided I liked the protrack better because I felt it was less gadgety. Once you get past the "terseness" of menuing system in the protrack, its straightforward to use. I only use my protrack to log jumps, not as an altimiter. My Neptune battery didn't last as long as my protrac batteries, although your mileage may vary. I no longer own a Neptune.-- drop zone (drop'zone) n. An incestuous sesspool of broken people. -- Attributed to a whuffo girlfriend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBCOOPER 5 #49 August 2, 2004 QuoteOnce you get past the "terseness" Took me like 20 minutes to reset one after an airline roadtrip.That includes looking for the manual.Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #50 August 2, 2004 Quote CONS: - 119s max log time Is that so? I was sure I had a birdman jump over 2 minutes but all Protrack showed was 119s. Maybe that explains it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
