JLorenz 0 #1 March 24, 2011 Does anyone have information on how to jump away from a dropzone, or where I can find the regulations governing such activities? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GLIDEANGLE 1 #2 March 24, 2011 Try searching the forums for "bandit" The FAA rules you seek are in 14 CFR 105 (FAR 105). You will find that in the SIM.The choices we make have consequences, for us & for others! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #4 March 24, 2011 As a practical matter, make sure you're comfortable landing in less than ideal areas, have recce'd the area thoroughly including alternate LZ's and have identified potential hazards that are a bitch to see from the air like power lines, telephone cables and less obvious stuff like heavily used public footpaths... nothing like a small child running out in front of you to see you land to wreck the whole plan! Make sure you know how to spot too... as well as how to safely exit the aircraft you'll be using. It's a good idea to make sure the pilot knows what to expect too... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #5 March 25, 2011 N O T A M probably need to file one jmy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #6 March 25, 2011 Then it wouldn't be a bandit jump now would it..... you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpsalot-2 3 #7 March 25, 2011 Obviously, if your landing on someone elses property, ask permission first......or be ready to run away quickly, before the owner can get to his shotgun, or let his Pitbull out after you.Life is short ... jump often. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JLorenz 0 #8 March 25, 2011 Yeah, I took a look at FAR 105, and through all the technical mumbo-jumbo, it looks like I should be good, as all I need is landowners permission and FAA clearance, which should be easy considering the large distance from the nearest international airport. Not really looking to make a "bandit" jump, but not a demo jump either, seeing as I lack the qualification for one, just a jump away from a DZ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBCOOPER 5 #9 March 25, 2011 Quote N O T A M probably need to file one jmy Whats your reference?Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #10 March 25, 2011 i dunno..... seems to me, that a Notam is needed for any off DZ skydive...just to alert pilots who may be flying in the area, , and any nearby ATC sites... ....soas to cover the jumpers ass, when all the 911 calls start coming in, about... " i think an airplane may have crashed, cause I saw a Parachute...." BUT.. i could be wrong.. wouldn't be the 1st time.. won't be the last time.. jmy A 3914 D 12122 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBCOOPER 5 #11 March 25, 2011 The only place that I can find in the regs about a requirement to file a NOTAM ,and it really doesn't say anything about a Notam, is in the part that says you must comply with everything in a certificate of authorization and they usually state you must file a NOTAM. Is it a good practice? Yea probably is, but if your fun jumping away from an airport you don't need a CoA and it would be difficult for the average pilot to locate a notam,especially if they're just passing through. ATC and radar are you safest bet and are required in any type of controlled airspace.Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #12 March 25, 2011 Be aware that more goes into a skydive that you might think. Things like the aircraft configuration come into play. Is this plane set up for jumping, and is the pilot an experienced jump pilot? Have you considered all the aspects of exiting this aircraft in flight? What congifuration is the pilot going to use on jumpun? What about the spot? What about winds aloft? What about wind indicators on the ground? What happens if you land off? Have a mal? Lose your gear? Get injured? Land off and get injured? All of these questions are answered for you when jumping on a DZ, there are systems in place to handle those issues. When making a solo jump off-DZ, you must be responsible for every aspect of the jump. It can be done, but there is more to it than you might think. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #13 March 25, 2011 QuoteYeah, I took a look at FAR 105, and through all the technical mumbo-jumbo, it looks like I should be good, as all I need is landowners permission and FAA clearance, which should be easy considering the large distance from the nearest international airport. Not really looking to make a "bandit" jump, but not a demo jump either, seeing as I lack the qualification for one, just a jump away from a DZ Although not all agree, many consider any off-airport, non-demo jump to be a "Bandit Jump", whether or not you folow the FAA regs on it. I've done a few and been a part of more. Our pilots will do them, but insist on following the rules. It's their ticket on the line if something goes wrong, and I don't blame them for not wanting to take that risk. I wouldn't. Read FAR 105.25 (a) (3). The ATC facility having juisdiction over the exit airspace must be notified from 1 hour to 24 hours before the jump. While the word "NOTAM" (Notice to Airmen) isn't specified, it's the easiest way, complies with the reg, and give a record of the notification in case of any questions. I have been told that a simple phone call to the ATC facility would also meet the requirements, but you can't be sure there will be a record of it. You also don't need "FAA clearance" (depending on the class of airspace you will be in). The reg says "Notification". You have to tell them you are jumping, they don't have to give an ok. FAA approval or clearance is necessary for "real" demos, but that is an entirely different animal."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fast 0 #14 March 25, 2011 QuoteYeah, I took a look at FAR 105, and through all the technical mumbo-jumbo, it looks like I should be good, as all I need is landowners permission and FAA clearance, which should be easy considering the large distance from the nearest international airport. Not really looking to make a "bandit" jump, but not a demo jump either, seeing as I lack the qualification for one, just a jump away from a DZ Time out. You don't qualify for a demo jump, but that makes a "non-demo" off airport jump ok? Please take the time to consider the consequences of your actions. If you don't have the skills to pull off a demo jump, you likely need help ensuring that what you want to do is even safe. Just the fact that you came here on the internet means that you haven't consulted with anyone that has the qualifications to determine if you are going to be able to do the jump you want in a safe manner. If you have the skills to do it, the area, the plane and the pilot, a local mentor will help you. If you lack those things a local mentor can help you get them. If you're arrogant about it and do the jump anyways, you might get away with it, or you might kill yourself or someone else. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you shouldn't do this jump, all I am saying is that you really need to seek local help to make it happen. I mean, are you wanting to jump in near your home? Hell, get a couple friends to jump too and have a BBQ, whatever. Just seek qualified help to make this jump a safe reality.~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DiverMike 5 #15 March 25, 2011 QuoteHell, get a couple friends to jump too and have a BBQ, whatever. +1 Excellent Idea Goes something like this - "Hey Mister Pro Rated 'D' license, want to do a fun jump with me into my backyard? I'll pay for your ride and free beer when you land" For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JLorenz 0 #16 March 25, 2011 Currently on my third, and last, deployment to Iraq. Headed back to my Duty station for a few months when I'm done, where I'll be logging more jumps and consulting the DZ staff on how to make this safe for me. The ultimate goal is to jump into an area outside my CA hometown for friends and family, BBQ and beer after. Thank you for your concern, I will remember to use all resources available to me to ensure it will be a safe jump for myself and all those within the proximity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #17 March 26, 2011 Quote Currently on my third, and last, deployment to Iraq. Headed back to my Duty station for a few months when I'm done, where I'll be logging more jumps and consulting the DZ staff on how to make this safe for me. The ultimate goal is to jump into an area outside my CA hometown for friends and family, BBQ and beer after. Thank you for your concern, I will remember to use all resources available to me to ensure it will be a safe jump for myself and all those within the proximity. I feel ya. Just got out of the army myself, 5 trips across the ocean for me. Wears ya out quick! Just keep in mind, you're going to want to be current before you start planning on doing a bandit jump."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #18 March 26, 2011 QuoteCurrently on my third, and last, deployment to Iraq. Headed back to my Duty station for a few months when I'm done, where I'll be logging more jumps and consulting the DZ staff on how to make this safe for me. The ultimate goal is to jump into an area outside my CA hometown for friends and family, BBQ and beer after. Thank you for your concern, I will remember to use all resources available to me to ensure it will be a safe jump for myself and all those within the proximity. First, thank you what you are doing on my behalf. If we ever meet dinner and drinks on me. Having done a fair amount of demos in CA you will be hard pressed to find an area where you don’t have to file a COA with the local FSDO. It seems to get tighter every year. When you get ready to give it a go, get in touch with me and I will try and help out. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fast 0 #19 March 28, 2011 Quote Quote Currently on my third, and last, deployment to Iraq. Headed back to my Duty station for a few months when I'm done, where I'll be logging more jumps and consulting the DZ staff on how to make this safe for me. The ultimate goal is to jump into an area outside my CA hometown for friends and family, BBQ and beer after. Thank you for your concern, I will remember to use all resources available to me to ensure it will be a safe jump for myself and all those within the proximity. First, thank you what you are doing on my behalf. If we ever meet dinner and drinks on me. Having done a fair amount of demos in CA you will be hard pressed to find an area where you don’t have to file a COA with the local FSDO. It seems to get tighter every year. When you get ready to give it a go, get in touch with me and I will try and help out. Sparky ^^^ there ya go, the perfect type of help. GL and Blue Skies ~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #20 March 28, 2011 QuoteQuoteYeah, I took a look at FAR 105, and through all the technical mumbo-jumbo, it looks like I should be good, as all I need is landowners permission and FAA clearance, which should be easy considering the large distance from the nearest international airport. Not really looking to make a "bandit" jump, but not a demo jump either, seeing as I lack the qualification for one, just a jump away from a DZ Time out. You don't qualify for a demo jump, but that makes a "non-demo" off airport jump ok? Please take the time to consider the consequences of your actions. If you don't have the skills to pull off a demo jump, you likely need help ensuring that what you want to do is even safe. +1. AFAIK, any jump intentionally off-airport is a demo jump, and you should have the skillset for that. ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
