schwede 0 #176 October 19, 2004 The translation is great.. of the document. Thanks for the effort of doing it... So now even Kim can read it...and understand it.. Have to agree with Ron.. We need competion and alternatives on the market and I think that is why this subject attract so many views. All I can hope for is that Vigil Aerospace really, really look into it and come up with a good answer... I'm still holding out as my Cypres died of old age last year and I wanna have a new AAD that will keep it promises.. "no need of any other AAD during my skydiving career".. Kim, please put a burner on the belgians behinds so that there will be a solution soon on the serious problems of the unit.Schwede "Das Leben ist schön, nicht immer aber immer öfter" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverton 0 #177 October 19, 2004 Translation is good. I will keep you guys informed about the status in germany ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Using your droque to gain stability is a bad habit, Especially when you are jumping a sport rig Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redknight 0 #178 October 20, 2004 Have you read the German version ???? Good translation ??? What's in a word A good spellingchecker is doing the work Quote Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites redknight 0 #179 October 20, 2004 QuoteQuote1) No device has an unlimited lifetime.VIGIL does not know the lifetime yet. They expect it to be 15 years Correct Airtec had the same problem in the past. They started to guarantee 4 years. Later 8 years. And they ended with 12 years. Are you sure this is the maximum lifespan ??? Buy a new one and everything is forgiven and forgotten. 2) No maintenance foreseen at the moment (while the company has no experience in AAD's) Correct This company has a lot of experience is the field of electronics. And they developped all the software themselves Do you know everything about the electronics of your car ??? Do you think that the engineer of your car's electronic is a good driver ??? What about the mileage of your car between two services ??? And 10 years ago ??? 3) Why do I need different modes. I only need it for my solo-rig and I'm not planning to do tandems or student jumps with a stiletto 107. Correct But for the same price !!!!! And maybe in a couple of weeks you need ......... Lucky guy 4) A cypres also has a cutter when purchased. I'm not planning to use the cutter. If I need to use it I don't care about buying a new one. Correct Hope you never need it And AAD will replace it if it is a life-saving activation All great points. I don't really see the benefit for an AAd that can be a tandem AAD, Student or Expert. I don't normlally pull out my tandem CYPRES and take it on a sport jump or vice versa. So while that might be a benefit for a school...For the average jumper its not a real bonus. For the individial jumper there is no inconvenience. But for a school/centre/organization it is a great advantage. Three in one for ONE price Mistakes ????? Bullshit It is the responsibility of the jumper and the jumpmaster to check the settings. This makes the difference between .........a good ......... and a bad.................... QuoteAdvantages I'm looking for: 1) Better technology (simple design for example) 2) Significant lower purchase price 3) Reliability I would only change the order. 1. Reliable...Its not worth a thing if it can kill you with a misfire, or it wil not work when needed. 2. Price...I like to jump and have other toys. 3. Better tech....as long as its reliable...I don't care how "cool" or advanced it is. But I agree with everything else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites specnaz007 0 #180 October 22, 2004 QuoteHave you read the German version ???? Good translation ??? What's in a word A good spellingchecker is doing the work Earlier in this thread Speedy wrote: I can assure you that the translation is more or less correct. Dave (Speedy) Speedy lives and is skydiving in Germany If you don’t believe him please feel free to contact the German Parachute Association about this matter: Deutscher Fallschirmsport Verband e.V. Comotorstr. 5 66802 Überherrn Tel: 06836 – 92306 Fax: 06836 – 92308 info@fallschirmsportverband.de Or contact the composer of the document direct: Chriss Buss: DFV Referat Technik chris@skydive.de Garik Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites specnaz007 0 #181 October 22, 2004 QuoteDo you know everything about the electronics of your car ??? Do you think that the engineer of your car's electronic is a good driver ??? No but I sure do hope he has enough knowledge about driving that he knows that when the airbag he developed activates, while driving and with no apparent reason, this will cause an extremely dangerous situation. QuoteWhat about the mileage of your car between two services ??? And 10 years ago ??? Cars needed maintenance 10 years ago, cars need maintenance today. Furthermore, in Europe a car has to be inspected once every 1 or 2 years (depends upon age). This inspection is mandatory and it doesn’t matter if the vehicle drove in that period 50.000 miles or 100 or not at all. What is good for my car is surely good for a lifesaving device as an AAD. QuoteCorrect Hope you never need it And AAD will replace it if it is a life-saving activation So far Vigil only had to replace cutters for free due to misfires of their device. QuoteI would only change the order. 1. Reliable...Its not worth a thing if it can kill you with a misfire, or it wil not work when needed. So far the Vigil created quite a list of serious misfires (especially when you realize the limited number of devices in the field (around 1000 towards 60.000 Cypres) By the way: I read here somewhere that on those 1000 devices around 20.000 skydives were made. That is an average of 20 per AAD (a well proven device???) Garik Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites phoenixlpr 0 #182 October 22, 2004 QuoteCars needed maintenance 10 years ago, cars need maintenance today. Furthermore, in Europe a car has to be inspected once every 1 or 2 years (depends upon age). This inspection is mandatory and it doesn’t matter if the vehicle drove in that period 50.000 miles or 100 or not at all. What is good for my car is surely good for a lifesaving device as an AAD. Apples to perries again??? But if you started. Some cars are having maintenance period of 10000 or 20000 Kms. Ive heard that new BMWs don`t have any, but computer is going to report problems or request maintenance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites schwede 0 #183 October 22, 2004 QuoteHave you read the German version ???? Good translation ??? What's in a word Yes I have... It really is... I lived in Germany for 10 years and can still read and speak the lingo..But writing is not my strong side... So the work on the translation is good...Schwede "Das Leben ist schön, nicht immer aber immer öfter" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #184 October 22, 2004 QuoteIf you don’t believe him please feel free to contact the German Parachute Association about this matter: Deutscher Fallschirmsport Verband e.V. Comotorstr. 5 66802 Überherrn Tel: 06836 – 92306 Fax: 06836 – 92308 info@fallschirmsportverband.de Or contact the composer of the document direct: Chriss Buss: DFV Referat Technik chris@skydive.de Garik OK, I don't speak German...So what could would calling them be? I trust the translation."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites badlock 0 #185 October 22, 2004 QuoteOK, I don't speak German...So what could would calling them be? Hmmhhh... maybe HE speaks english? Here in germany we learn more than our own language at school . Someone speak english better, someone worse (me!! ) Don't be a Lutz! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #186 October 22, 2004 QuoteHmmhhh... maybe HE speaks english? Maybe, but since I trust the translation, and I don't want to make a REALLY Long Distance call to Attempt to "Freckin Ze Dutch"....I'll just wait. QuoteHere in germany we learn more than our own language at school Hell we have enough problems trying to get our kids to speak "real" English...."You down wit dat dawg?" Plus I DID take another language....But if I think I could have problems calling Germany and trying to get an English speaker....Wait till I call Germany and speak broken Spanish to them"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 4XTTTOM 0 #187 October 22, 2004 Hello all of you, Concerning our problems with the German DFV. Just to let you all know that AAD vigil has done his job, we had a verry good meeting with the the some members of the German DFV. They listen to us and we listen to them. We had on every question an answer and also a proof. In the attachment you will find the latter that the Germans have send us and they have giving us a new certification. Like i said in the past if there problems or you do not understand something or you have some doubts about our product. Just take contact and we will answer them all. Our communication line is open on our side. Everybody knows where to find us for every detail nd information. Cu around Keep it safe Tom PS Checkpoint maybe you can translate the PDF file in German now. So everybody can understand it.George Diotme Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites redknight 0 #188 October 23, 2004 QuoteHello all of you, Concerning our problems with the German DFV. Just to let you all know that AAD vigil has done his job, we had a verry good meeting with the the some members of the German DFV. They listen to us and we listen to them. We had on every question an answer and also a proof. In the attachment you will find the latter that the Germans have send us and they have giving us a new certification. Like i said in the past if there problems or you do not understand something or you have some doubts about our product. Just take contact and we will answer them all. Our communication line is open on our side. Everybody knows where to find us for every detail nd information. *** Good work Tom Good work Vigil-Team Quote Cu around Keep it safe Tom PS Checkpoint maybe you can translate the PDF file in German now. So everybody can understand it. *** Hi, checkpoint. If you need a good spelling-checker, just let me know (English -> Deutsch) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites redknight 0 #189 October 23, 2004 *** Speedy lives and is skydiving in Germany If you don’t believe him please feel free to contact the German Parachute Association about this matter: Deutscher Fallschirmsport Verband e.V. Comotorstr. 5 66802 Überherrn Tel: 06836 – 92306 Fax: 06836 – 92308 info@fallschirmsportverband.de Or contact the composer of the document direct: Chriss Buss: DFV Referat Technik chris@skydive.de Garik Don't forget to read the last version of the German organization (22/10/2004) It's in attachment of Tom's last reply to Ron Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 4XTTTOM 0 #190 October 23, 2004 Hi Redknight, Thanks for the support. My first concern is that our system is on the market and customers have the choice. There is still a lot of work for everybody not alone for us, but also for the industry. So we and a lot of other people can use your support to keep our sport save. Just a note: Look to all the teams at the worldmeet who trust in Vigil Vigil makes you perform better. Cu + keep it safe TomGeorge Diotme Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites speedy 0 #191 October 23, 2004 QuoteVigil makes you perform better. Can you please explain how a passive device could help me... 1) swoop further 2) turn more points in my 4-way team 3) Teach me how to freelfy better 4) improve my tandem videos I am sorry, but I cannot see any way that vigil (or cypres) could make me perform better. Marketing gone crazy Dave Fallschirmsport Marl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites redknight 0 #192 October 23, 2004 QuoteHi Redknight, Thanks for the support. My first concern is that our system is on the market and customers have the choice. There is still a lot of work for everybody not alone for us, but also for the industry. So we and a lot of other people can use your support to keep our sport save. *** Just a note: Look to all the teams at the worldmeet who trust in Vigil Vigil makes you perform better. Cu + keep it safe Tom Quote Have heard about you Tom. In Austria in august as well as in Croatia in september. Continue this way! Vigil is the device for the next generation. My conviction. Of course, maybe not the only one. But without any doubts a very good one. Let us accept FAIR competition and that the best will win. Study, compare, evaluate and make your opinion/decision. NOT before. Only then I can accept it. Give a chance to all. Please, that some of you stop the bullshit of the last weeks/months. Stop talking out of the back of one's neck. Since the beginning I'm a disciple of the concept, the technical specifications, the development and the result of the final product. Even if there have been internal management problems and technical growing pains. But this bugs have been ironed out !!!! Be sure, even me, will never forget the problems other device(s) had 10 to 12 years ago before they became the standard of the nineties and the early 21st-century. It seems to me that a lot of you guys are very short of memory. Or to young to know how it was 10, 15, 20, 25 years and more ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydivingdutch 0 #193 October 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteVigil makes you perform better. Can you please explain how a passive device could help me... 1) swoop further 2) turn more points in my 4-way team 3) Teach me how to freelfy better 4) improve my tandem videos I am sorry, but I cannot see any way that vigil (or cypres) could make me perform better. Marketing gone crazy Vigil is not a passive device, of couse, otherwise it would not require batteries. Your opinion on the 4 points in indeed valid tho. Far fetched, perhaps it suggests that with the peace of mind of having an AAD you perform better. http://dropman.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites specnaz007 0 #194 October 24, 2004 QuoteStudy, compare, evaluate and make your opinion/decision. NOT before. I did, already the safety-bulletins with recommendations as: Bypassing the loop..., A vigil is safe it will only fire on the ground (ask a pilot’s opinion...) A vigil is safe it will only fire on the ground (and 3 days later an in air misfire in Australia...) A Vigil doesn’t switch on at sea level? Just adjust it with 50 meters (160 feet)... Says by my opinion enough about the company’s reliability. QuoteBut this bugs have been ironed out !!!! Are you sure???? Does for example, after the meeting with the German Chairman of the DFV, a Vigil not anymore to be adjusted with 50 meters (160 feet) with good weather, at sea level and switch on without any problem? QuoteBe sure, even me, will never forget the problems other device(s) had 10 to 12 years ago before they became the standard of the nineties and the early 21st-century. It seems to me that a lot of you guys are very short of memory. Or to young to know how it was 10, 15, 20, 25 years and more ago. I would expect of a device of the 21st century not to have the same (well known) bugs of the early nineties of the 20th century. Garik Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites speedy 0 #195 October 25, 2004 QuoteVigil is not a passive device Probaly my bad word choice. I've lived so long in Germany I am beginning to forget my English. What I mean is that an AAD does not do anything that your are aware of until you are low and fast enough to activate it. For me, a jump with an AAD provides no more peace of mind than a jump without one. 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redknight 0 #179 October 20, 2004 QuoteQuote1) No device has an unlimited lifetime.VIGIL does not know the lifetime yet. They expect it to be 15 years Correct Airtec had the same problem in the past. They started to guarantee 4 years. Later 8 years. And they ended with 12 years. Are you sure this is the maximum lifespan ??? Buy a new one and everything is forgiven and forgotten. 2) No maintenance foreseen at the moment (while the company has no experience in AAD's) Correct This company has a lot of experience is the field of electronics. And they developped all the software themselves Do you know everything about the electronics of your car ??? Do you think that the engineer of your car's electronic is a good driver ??? What about the mileage of your car between two services ??? And 10 years ago ??? 3) Why do I need different modes. I only need it for my solo-rig and I'm not planning to do tandems or student jumps with a stiletto 107. Correct But for the same price !!!!! And maybe in a couple of weeks you need ......... Lucky guy 4) A cypres also has a cutter when purchased. I'm not planning to use the cutter. If I need to use it I don't care about buying a new one. Correct Hope you never need it And AAD will replace it if it is a life-saving activation All great points. I don't really see the benefit for an AAd that can be a tandem AAD, Student or Expert. I don't normlally pull out my tandem CYPRES and take it on a sport jump or vice versa. So while that might be a benefit for a school...For the average jumper its not a real bonus. For the individial jumper there is no inconvenience. But for a school/centre/organization it is a great advantage. Three in one for ONE price Mistakes ????? Bullshit It is the responsibility of the jumper and the jumpmaster to check the settings. This makes the difference between .........a good ......... and a bad.................... QuoteAdvantages I'm looking for: 1) Better technology (simple design for example) 2) Significant lower purchase price 3) Reliability I would only change the order. 1. Reliable...Its not worth a thing if it can kill you with a misfire, or it wil not work when needed. 2. Price...I like to jump and have other toys. 3. Better tech....as long as its reliable...I don't care how "cool" or advanced it is. But I agree with everything else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specnaz007 0 #180 October 22, 2004 QuoteHave you read the German version ???? Good translation ??? What's in a word A good spellingchecker is doing the work Earlier in this thread Speedy wrote: I can assure you that the translation is more or less correct. Dave (Speedy) Speedy lives and is skydiving in Germany If you don’t believe him please feel free to contact the German Parachute Association about this matter: Deutscher Fallschirmsport Verband e.V. Comotorstr. 5 66802 Überherrn Tel: 06836 – 92306 Fax: 06836 – 92308 info@fallschirmsportverband.de Or contact the composer of the document direct: Chriss Buss: DFV Referat Technik chris@skydive.de Garik Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specnaz007 0 #181 October 22, 2004 QuoteDo you know everything about the electronics of your car ??? Do you think that the engineer of your car's electronic is a good driver ??? No but I sure do hope he has enough knowledge about driving that he knows that when the airbag he developed activates, while driving and with no apparent reason, this will cause an extremely dangerous situation. QuoteWhat about the mileage of your car between two services ??? And 10 years ago ??? Cars needed maintenance 10 years ago, cars need maintenance today. Furthermore, in Europe a car has to be inspected once every 1 or 2 years (depends upon age). This inspection is mandatory and it doesn’t matter if the vehicle drove in that period 50.000 miles or 100 or not at all. What is good for my car is surely good for a lifesaving device as an AAD. QuoteCorrect Hope you never need it And AAD will replace it if it is a life-saving activation So far Vigil only had to replace cutters for free due to misfires of their device. QuoteI would only change the order. 1. Reliable...Its not worth a thing if it can kill you with a misfire, or it wil not work when needed. So far the Vigil created quite a list of serious misfires (especially when you realize the limited number of devices in the field (around 1000 towards 60.000 Cypres) By the way: I read here somewhere that on those 1000 devices around 20.000 skydives were made. That is an average of 20 per AAD (a well proven device???) Garik Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #182 October 22, 2004 QuoteCars needed maintenance 10 years ago, cars need maintenance today. Furthermore, in Europe a car has to be inspected once every 1 or 2 years (depends upon age). This inspection is mandatory and it doesn’t matter if the vehicle drove in that period 50.000 miles or 100 or not at all. What is good for my car is surely good for a lifesaving device as an AAD. Apples to perries again??? But if you started. Some cars are having maintenance period of 10000 or 20000 Kms. Ive heard that new BMWs don`t have any, but computer is going to report problems or request maintenance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
schwede 0 #183 October 22, 2004 QuoteHave you read the German version ???? Good translation ??? What's in a word Yes I have... It really is... I lived in Germany for 10 years and can still read and speak the lingo..But writing is not my strong side... So the work on the translation is good...Schwede "Das Leben ist schön, nicht immer aber immer öfter" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #184 October 22, 2004 QuoteIf you don’t believe him please feel free to contact the German Parachute Association about this matter: Deutscher Fallschirmsport Verband e.V. Comotorstr. 5 66802 Überherrn Tel: 06836 – 92306 Fax: 06836 – 92308 info@fallschirmsportverband.de Or contact the composer of the document direct: Chriss Buss: DFV Referat Technik chris@skydive.de Garik OK, I don't speak German...So what could would calling them be? I trust the translation."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
badlock 0 #185 October 22, 2004 QuoteOK, I don't speak German...So what could would calling them be? Hmmhhh... maybe HE speaks english? Here in germany we learn more than our own language at school . Someone speak english better, someone worse (me!! ) Don't be a Lutz! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #186 October 22, 2004 QuoteHmmhhh... maybe HE speaks english? Maybe, but since I trust the translation, and I don't want to make a REALLY Long Distance call to Attempt to "Freckin Ze Dutch"....I'll just wait. QuoteHere in germany we learn more than our own language at school Hell we have enough problems trying to get our kids to speak "real" English...."You down wit dat dawg?" Plus I DID take another language....But if I think I could have problems calling Germany and trying to get an English speaker....Wait till I call Germany and speak broken Spanish to them"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4XTTTOM 0 #187 October 22, 2004 Hello all of you, Concerning our problems with the German DFV. Just to let you all know that AAD vigil has done his job, we had a verry good meeting with the the some members of the German DFV. They listen to us and we listen to them. We had on every question an answer and also a proof. In the attachment you will find the latter that the Germans have send us and they have giving us a new certification. Like i said in the past if there problems or you do not understand something or you have some doubts about our product. Just take contact and we will answer them all. Our communication line is open on our side. Everybody knows where to find us for every detail nd information. Cu around Keep it safe Tom PS Checkpoint maybe you can translate the PDF file in German now. So everybody can understand it.George Diotme Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redknight 0 #188 October 23, 2004 QuoteHello all of you, Concerning our problems with the German DFV. Just to let you all know that AAD vigil has done his job, we had a verry good meeting with the the some members of the German DFV. They listen to us and we listen to them. We had on every question an answer and also a proof. In the attachment you will find the latter that the Germans have send us and they have giving us a new certification. Like i said in the past if there problems or you do not understand something or you have some doubts about our product. Just take contact and we will answer them all. Our communication line is open on our side. Everybody knows where to find us for every detail nd information. *** Good work Tom Good work Vigil-Team Quote Cu around Keep it safe Tom PS Checkpoint maybe you can translate the PDF file in German now. So everybody can understand it. *** Hi, checkpoint. If you need a good spelling-checker, just let me know (English -> Deutsch) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites redknight 0 #189 October 23, 2004 *** Speedy lives and is skydiving in Germany If you don’t believe him please feel free to contact the German Parachute Association about this matter: Deutscher Fallschirmsport Verband e.V. Comotorstr. 5 66802 Überherrn Tel: 06836 – 92306 Fax: 06836 – 92308 info@fallschirmsportverband.de Or contact the composer of the document direct: Chriss Buss: DFV Referat Technik chris@skydive.de Garik Don't forget to read the last version of the German organization (22/10/2004) It's in attachment of Tom's last reply to Ron Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 4XTTTOM 0 #190 October 23, 2004 Hi Redknight, Thanks for the support. My first concern is that our system is on the market and customers have the choice. There is still a lot of work for everybody not alone for us, but also for the industry. So we and a lot of other people can use your support to keep our sport save. Just a note: Look to all the teams at the worldmeet who trust in Vigil Vigil makes you perform better. Cu + keep it safe TomGeorge Diotme Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites speedy 0 #191 October 23, 2004 QuoteVigil makes you perform better. Can you please explain how a passive device could help me... 1) swoop further 2) turn more points in my 4-way team 3) Teach me how to freelfy better 4) improve my tandem videos I am sorry, but I cannot see any way that vigil (or cypres) could make me perform better. Marketing gone crazy Dave Fallschirmsport Marl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites redknight 0 #192 October 23, 2004 QuoteHi Redknight, Thanks for the support. My first concern is that our system is on the market and customers have the choice. There is still a lot of work for everybody not alone for us, but also for the industry. So we and a lot of other people can use your support to keep our sport save. *** Just a note: Look to all the teams at the worldmeet who trust in Vigil Vigil makes you perform better. Cu + keep it safe Tom Quote Have heard about you Tom. In Austria in august as well as in Croatia in september. Continue this way! Vigil is the device for the next generation. My conviction. Of course, maybe not the only one. But without any doubts a very good one. Let us accept FAIR competition and that the best will win. Study, compare, evaluate and make your opinion/decision. NOT before. Only then I can accept it. Give a chance to all. Please, that some of you stop the bullshit of the last weeks/months. Stop talking out of the back of one's neck. Since the beginning I'm a disciple of the concept, the technical specifications, the development and the result of the final product. Even if there have been internal management problems and technical growing pains. But this bugs have been ironed out !!!! Be sure, even me, will never forget the problems other device(s) had 10 to 12 years ago before they became the standard of the nineties and the early 21st-century. It seems to me that a lot of you guys are very short of memory. Or to young to know how it was 10, 15, 20, 25 years and more ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydivingdutch 0 #193 October 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteVigil makes you perform better. Can you please explain how a passive device could help me... 1) swoop further 2) turn more points in my 4-way team 3) Teach me how to freelfy better 4) improve my tandem videos I am sorry, but I cannot see any way that vigil (or cypres) could make me perform better. Marketing gone crazy Vigil is not a passive device, of couse, otherwise it would not require batteries. Your opinion on the 4 points in indeed valid tho. Far fetched, perhaps it suggests that with the peace of mind of having an AAD you perform better. http://dropman.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites specnaz007 0 #194 October 24, 2004 QuoteStudy, compare, evaluate and make your opinion/decision. NOT before. I did, already the safety-bulletins with recommendations as: Bypassing the loop..., A vigil is safe it will only fire on the ground (ask a pilot’s opinion...) A vigil is safe it will only fire on the ground (and 3 days later an in air misfire in Australia...) A Vigil doesn’t switch on at sea level? Just adjust it with 50 meters (160 feet)... Says by my opinion enough about the company’s reliability. QuoteBut this bugs have been ironed out !!!! Are you sure???? Does for example, after the meeting with the German Chairman of the DFV, a Vigil not anymore to be adjusted with 50 meters (160 feet) with good weather, at sea level and switch on without any problem? QuoteBe sure, even me, will never forget the problems other device(s) had 10 to 12 years ago before they became the standard of the nineties and the early 21st-century. It seems to me that a lot of you guys are very short of memory. Or to young to know how it was 10, 15, 20, 25 years and more ago. I would expect of a device of the 21st century not to have the same (well known) bugs of the early nineties of the 20th century. Garik Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites speedy 0 #195 October 25, 2004 QuoteVigil is not a passive device Probaly my bad word choice. I've lived so long in Germany I am beginning to forget my English. What I mean is that an AAD does not do anything that your are aware of until you are low and fast enough to activate it. For me, a jump with an AAD provides no more peace of mind than a jump without one. Dave Fallschirmsport Marl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites redknight 0 #196 November 9, 2004 *** Hi Tom & the vigil team It is a long time without any complaints That means, and I'm sure about that, that everything is going well CU Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites redknight 0 #197 January 17, 2005 Hi Vigil Team Nice display in Jacksonville Well done Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next Page 8 of 8 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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redknight 0 #189 October 23, 2004 *** Speedy lives and is skydiving in Germany If you don’t believe him please feel free to contact the German Parachute Association about this matter: Deutscher Fallschirmsport Verband e.V. Comotorstr. 5 66802 Überherrn Tel: 06836 – 92306 Fax: 06836 – 92308 info@fallschirmsportverband.de Or contact the composer of the document direct: Chriss Buss: DFV Referat Technik chris@skydive.de Garik Don't forget to read the last version of the German organization (22/10/2004) It's in attachment of Tom's last reply to Ron Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4XTTTOM 0 #190 October 23, 2004 Hi Redknight, Thanks for the support. My first concern is that our system is on the market and customers have the choice. There is still a lot of work for everybody not alone for us, but also for the industry. So we and a lot of other people can use your support to keep our sport save. Just a note: Look to all the teams at the worldmeet who trust in Vigil Vigil makes you perform better. Cu + keep it safe TomGeorge Diotme Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedy 0 #191 October 23, 2004 QuoteVigil makes you perform better. Can you please explain how a passive device could help me... 1) swoop further 2) turn more points in my 4-way team 3) Teach me how to freelfy better 4) improve my tandem videos I am sorry, but I cannot see any way that vigil (or cypres) could make me perform better. Marketing gone crazy Dave Fallschirmsport Marl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redknight 0 #192 October 23, 2004 QuoteHi Redknight, Thanks for the support. My first concern is that our system is on the market and customers have the choice. There is still a lot of work for everybody not alone for us, but also for the industry. So we and a lot of other people can use your support to keep our sport save. *** Just a note: Look to all the teams at the worldmeet who trust in Vigil Vigil makes you perform better. Cu + keep it safe Tom Quote Have heard about you Tom. In Austria in august as well as in Croatia in september. Continue this way! Vigil is the device for the next generation. My conviction. Of course, maybe not the only one. But without any doubts a very good one. Let us accept FAIR competition and that the best will win. Study, compare, evaluate and make your opinion/decision. NOT before. Only then I can accept it. Give a chance to all. Please, that some of you stop the bullshit of the last weeks/months. Stop talking out of the back of one's neck. Since the beginning I'm a disciple of the concept, the technical specifications, the development and the result of the final product. Even if there have been internal management problems and technical growing pains. But this bugs have been ironed out !!!! Be sure, even me, will never forget the problems other device(s) had 10 to 12 years ago before they became the standard of the nineties and the early 21st-century. It seems to me that a lot of you guys are very short of memory. Or to young to know how it was 10, 15, 20, 25 years and more ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydivingdutch 0 #193 October 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteVigil makes you perform better. Can you please explain how a passive device could help me... 1) swoop further 2) turn more points in my 4-way team 3) Teach me how to freelfy better 4) improve my tandem videos I am sorry, but I cannot see any way that vigil (or cypres) could make me perform better. Marketing gone crazy Vigil is not a passive device, of couse, otherwise it would not require batteries. Your opinion on the 4 points in indeed valid tho. Far fetched, perhaps it suggests that with the peace of mind of having an AAD you perform better. http://dropman.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites specnaz007 0 #194 October 24, 2004 QuoteStudy, compare, evaluate and make your opinion/decision. NOT before. I did, already the safety-bulletins with recommendations as: Bypassing the loop..., A vigil is safe it will only fire on the ground (ask a pilot’s opinion...) A vigil is safe it will only fire on the ground (and 3 days later an in air misfire in Australia...) A Vigil doesn’t switch on at sea level? Just adjust it with 50 meters (160 feet)... Says by my opinion enough about the company’s reliability. QuoteBut this bugs have been ironed out !!!! Are you sure???? Does for example, after the meeting with the German Chairman of the DFV, a Vigil not anymore to be adjusted with 50 meters (160 feet) with good weather, at sea level and switch on without any problem? QuoteBe sure, even me, will never forget the problems other device(s) had 10 to 12 years ago before they became the standard of the nineties and the early 21st-century. It seems to me that a lot of you guys are very short of memory. Or to young to know how it was 10, 15, 20, 25 years and more ago. I would expect of a device of the 21st century not to have the same (well known) bugs of the early nineties of the 20th century. Garik Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites speedy 0 #195 October 25, 2004 QuoteVigil is not a passive device Probaly my bad word choice. I've lived so long in Germany I am beginning to forget my English. What I mean is that an AAD does not do anything that your are aware of until you are low and fast enough to activate it. For me, a jump with an AAD provides no more peace of mind than a jump without one. Dave Fallschirmsport Marl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites redknight 0 #196 November 9, 2004 *** Hi Tom & the vigil team It is a long time without any complaints That means, and I'm sure about that, that everything is going well CU Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites redknight 0 #197 January 17, 2005 Hi Vigil Team Nice display in Jacksonville Well done Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next Page 8 of 8 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
skydivingdutch 0 #193 October 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteVigil makes you perform better. Can you please explain how a passive device could help me... 1) swoop further 2) turn more points in my 4-way team 3) Teach me how to freelfy better 4) improve my tandem videos I am sorry, but I cannot see any way that vigil (or cypres) could make me perform better. Marketing gone crazy Vigil is not a passive device, of couse, otherwise it would not require batteries. Your opinion on the 4 points in indeed valid tho. Far fetched, perhaps it suggests that with the peace of mind of having an AAD you perform better. http://dropman.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specnaz007 0 #194 October 24, 2004 QuoteStudy, compare, evaluate and make your opinion/decision. NOT before. I did, already the safety-bulletins with recommendations as: Bypassing the loop..., A vigil is safe it will only fire on the ground (ask a pilot’s opinion...) A vigil is safe it will only fire on the ground (and 3 days later an in air misfire in Australia...) A Vigil doesn’t switch on at sea level? Just adjust it with 50 meters (160 feet)... Says by my opinion enough about the company’s reliability. QuoteBut this bugs have been ironed out !!!! Are you sure???? Does for example, after the meeting with the German Chairman of the DFV, a Vigil not anymore to be adjusted with 50 meters (160 feet) with good weather, at sea level and switch on without any problem? QuoteBe sure, even me, will never forget the problems other device(s) had 10 to 12 years ago before they became the standard of the nineties and the early 21st-century. It seems to me that a lot of you guys are very short of memory. Or to young to know how it was 10, 15, 20, 25 years and more ago. I would expect of a device of the 21st century not to have the same (well known) bugs of the early nineties of the 20th century. Garik Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedy 0 #195 October 25, 2004 QuoteVigil is not a passive device Probaly my bad word choice. I've lived so long in Germany I am beginning to forget my English. What I mean is that an AAD does not do anything that your are aware of until you are low and fast enough to activate it. For me, a jump with an AAD provides no more peace of mind than a jump without one. Dave Fallschirmsport Marl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redknight 0 #196 November 9, 2004 *** Hi Tom & the vigil team It is a long time without any complaints That means, and I'm sure about that, that everything is going well CU Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redknight 0 #197 January 17, 2005 Hi Vigil Team Nice display in Jacksonville Well done Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
