aubsmell 0 #1 August 19, 2004 In an effort to constantly improve the Icon, I’d like to know what all you guys think is the best front riser dive loop on the market. I know this is a very open ended question and may not net anything more than a bunch of different opinions. I would like comments on what you guys and gals think are good qualities in a front riser dive loop. Feel free to either give an example, i.e "X company has the best dive loops ever” or explain what you’d like to see in a dive loop, in terms of arrangement and functionality. Do you like smaller, bigger (two fingers or the whole hand), do you like them to lay flat, or naturally pop open, side mounted, tacked in two places, anything. I know what I like, but I’d like to know what you’d like. Instead of us selling you a set of risers with dive loop X, and telling you why it is so great, I’d rather take it to you and see if we can get some sort of over all consensus and build a riser with dive loops that the majority of skydivers will be happy with… Thanks. Aubs"Those who say it cannot be done, should not interrupt those who are doing it" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aubsmell 0 #2 August 19, 2004 if you have made some customized modification to your risers and are proud of it, post a picture that would be cool...."Those who say it cannot be done, should not interrupt those who are doing it" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #3 August 19, 2004 I don't like loops, I prefer to use my dive blocks... They allow me to grab my riser much higher than any (AFAIK) loopscissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #4 August 19, 2004 I like large dive loops that stand out away from the riser. The dive loops on Sunrise Rigging's mini-risers are nice, although if it was wider webbing it would be easier on the hands (might make it hard to pull the slider down, though). The smaller dive loops are damn near a death trap for me, I have fairly large hands and wear gloves on every skydive, that's just asking to get a hand stuck. Even with the large dive loops that Sunrise Rigging has, I still only use two fingers.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityGirl 0 #5 August 19, 2004 I know that I don't like the narrow ones that Rigging Innovations sometimes uses. I've gotten used to everything else. Something that is easy to pack so they "pop up and open" when the risers come out of the container. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #6 August 19, 2004 Simple straight forward 1 inch type 4 dive loops. Cut approx 8 1/2 to 9 inches. Mark at 3/4 inch. Upon sewing the front riser fold over, insert the type 4 at the bottem and stitch it into the pattern. take the free end and place it just above the stitch pattern. Use 2 riser wide Bartacks, or equivelent. Simple and effective. Using the type 17 of the riser like Javelin does is, in my opinion, the most uncomfortable and bulky way to do it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
towerrat 0 #7 August 19, 2004 I really like the Wings dive loops. I have found, in my limited experience that the design is good, but they could be a little bigger ( the material and the loop itself).Play stupid games, win stupid prizes! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dazzle 0 #8 August 19, 2004 Another vote for the wings loops, preferred them to the Icon ones and they're the only containers I've jumped recently. On a fairly new Icon I found I spent ages trying to open the loops (another person demoing the container thought so as well). The wings just seem to be there when you want them. What would be nice is some sort of loop / block on the rear risers. The Katana is so floaty on rear risers I spend quite a lot of time in them getting back from spots. At the mo I've got a finger up in the lines but thats not comfortable, a block or loop might work better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spy38W 0 #9 August 19, 2004 Very nice that somebody makes a comment to the company about a design feature, and within days a rep is looking for opinions to improve their product. On the subject, I have jumped Wings risers for most of my jumps, so my experience with different types is fairly limited. I like them because they are always open and easy to grab. I use two fingers, with my hand through the toggle to the bend between my index finger and thumb. -- Hook high, flare on time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #10 August 19, 2004 I prefer type 17 dive loops as a continuation of the riser. Similar to the way Mirage risers are built. Infinity risers, with mirage dive loops, with Miniforce rings....now there is a plan.....---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #11 August 19, 2004 Small (I use two fingers) and high so the tail doesn't get deflected, open so it's easier to get fingers in there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyinseivLP2 0 #12 August 19, 2004 I like Wings the best also. The way they are sewn makes them easier to grab than the others I have jumped. Jeff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RyanofOZ 0 #13 August 19, 2004 I like the ones on my Icon. I do agree that they are hard to get open and into at first though. I would like to see them open better on their own.Oz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrogNog 1 #14 August 20, 2004 I like dive loops that are a continuation of the riser because it makes me feel confident they aren't going to rip. Yeah, I know, I'm not that strong, but there are parts of my equipment I look at and convince myself are strong enough, and there are parts I look at and say "Damn!". I also like dive loops that are just as wide as narrow risers. If they are narrower I tend to get unnacceptable finger pain from what I assume is high riser pressure on the (relatively large, tapered rectangular) canopies I jump. I haven't tried super-wide dive loops yet but if I can grip all the way around the loop with my "dive claw" grip, I don't think that would be a problem. The canopies I have been jumping also seem to have long control ranges, so the higher the grip part of the dive loop, the better. Otherwise I have to lengthen the brake lines so far I don't think I can get the canopy to stop as well in zero wind. (I know the dive loop can only be up so high, so I'm checking other canopies to see if I just need a different model canopy for my needs.) One kind of dive loop that I find inferior is the mechanical-advantage dive loop. While they halve the felt front riser pressure, they double the toggle input per front riser input if the toggles are kept in the hands, which I always do unless I'm doing something weird way up high, or I'm packing or cutting away. Personally, I use two or three fingers on my dive loops. I always wear gloves (thin in Summer, thicker in Winter) and have long, narrow fingers. Just in case you care. Dive loops that pop open would be great. I think I would welcome any additional packing difficulty for this. (And I have one of those rigs with nuclear riser covers, so no problem there.) I've never used such a beastie, though, so I don't know if there are any other downsides I haven't thought of. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,070 #15 August 20, 2004 I like the ones on my Reflex. They are similar to the Icon's but are tacked down not quite at the bottom of the dive loop. So if you push up on the bottom of the loop, it opens up very easily, but still packs flat when you're packing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #16 August 20, 2004 QuoteI know that I don't like the narrow ones that Rigging Innovations sometimes uses. Quote Awh shucks these are my favorites. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skygod7777 0 #17 August 20, 2004 i really like the wings dive loops. they best i have ever jumped, they are always open, and easy to grab, i never have to fumble arond looking for them, or have to look up to find them (good because i can always keep my eye on traffic). but that's just my opinion. lata Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skytash 0 #18 August 20, 2004 Sally at Paragone made dive loops for a friend of mine which were discussed a while ago: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=904993#904993 He doesn't post much here but really likes these loops as they are bigger than standard he can get his fingers into them more easily. tashDon't ever save anything for a special occasion. Being alive is a special occasion. Avril Sloe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites fool 0 #19 August 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteI don't like loops, I prefer to use my dive blocks... They allow me to grab my riser much higher than any (AFAIK) loop ditto... got used to blocks early on, and honestly, I've borrowed gear before, and because there were loops there, but I don't think they'd ever been used before and they were the flat to the riser kind, my vote is for the stick out kind if you're gonna go with loops. S.E.X. party #1 "Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "f*#k, what a ride". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites piisfish 140 #20 August 20, 2004 and when I borrow a rig with no blocks, I grab the links anyways.... Maybe I should try to get a couple of fingers in these loops again...scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lauras 0 #21 August 20, 2004 Ah, yes, the fabled Saloni 2000 dive loops. Aubrey, ask Jody to whip up a set. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #22 August 20, 2004 Ah! Design compromises ... Make them big - so I can grab them with winter gloves. Make them high - Make them stand out - so I can grab them with winter gloves Make them small - so my slider can slide down past them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites egons 0 #23 August 20, 2004 Hey Aubrey! One of the best assets you have are your sponsored jumpers. Get their opinions - even better get your Engineers to come up with some variations and get some conclusive testing done with them... this has certainly worked for many manufacturers including RWS. Your Sponsored jumpers are extremely important in the RnD process for development. Put them to the test!!! Many of RWS's innovations are purely through the input we get from our sponsored jumpers as they are the most current out there wanting the best and safest gear availible to them! My 02 cents buddy. Cheers Egon "Start doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you're doing the impossible!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bmcd308 0 #24 August 20, 2004 I agree that the Wings loops are good, but I would like them to be little smaller so that you are pulling on a higher point on the riser. I feel like the loop material is too long. Makes you use more toggle stroke to pull them and also makes it so that the effective attachment point is lower. ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nicknitro71 0 #25 August 20, 2004 By far the Wings loops. They are much easier to grab because they stay open and there is no "reaching and scooping".Memento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
skygod7777 0 #17 August 20, 2004 i really like the wings dive loops. they best i have ever jumped, they are always open, and easy to grab, i never have to fumble arond looking for them, or have to look up to find them (good because i can always keep my eye on traffic). but that's just my opinion. lata Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skytash 0 #18 August 20, 2004 Sally at Paragone made dive loops for a friend of mine which were discussed a while ago: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=904993#904993 He doesn't post much here but really likes these loops as they are bigger than standard he can get his fingers into them more easily. tashDon't ever save anything for a special occasion. Being alive is a special occasion. Avril Sloe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fool 0 #19 August 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteI don't like loops, I prefer to use my dive blocks... They allow me to grab my riser much higher than any (AFAIK) loop ditto... got used to blocks early on, and honestly, I've borrowed gear before, and because there were loops there, but I don't think they'd ever been used before and they were the flat to the riser kind, my vote is for the stick out kind if you're gonna go with loops. S.E.X. party #1 "Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "f*#k, what a ride". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #20 August 20, 2004 and when I borrow a rig with no blocks, I grab the links anyways.... Maybe I should try to get a couple of fingers in these loops again...scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lauras 0 #21 August 20, 2004 Ah, yes, the fabled Saloni 2000 dive loops. Aubrey, ask Jody to whip up a set. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #22 August 20, 2004 Ah! Design compromises ... Make them big - so I can grab them with winter gloves. Make them high - Make them stand out - so I can grab them with winter gloves Make them small - so my slider can slide down past them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egons 0 #23 August 20, 2004 Hey Aubrey! One of the best assets you have are your sponsored jumpers. Get their opinions - even better get your Engineers to come up with some variations and get some conclusive testing done with them... this has certainly worked for many manufacturers including RWS. Your Sponsored jumpers are extremely important in the RnD process for development. Put them to the test!!! Many of RWS's innovations are purely through the input we get from our sponsored jumpers as they are the most current out there wanting the best and safest gear availible to them! My 02 cents buddy. Cheers Egon "Start doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you're doing the impossible!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #24 August 20, 2004 I agree that the Wings loops are good, but I would like them to be little smaller so that you are pulling on a higher point on the riser. I feel like the loop material is too long. Makes you use more toggle stroke to pull them and also makes it so that the effective attachment point is lower. ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicknitro71 0 #25 August 20, 2004 By far the Wings loops. They are much easier to grab because they stay open and there is no "reaching and scooping".Memento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites