bbarnhouse 0 #26 August 21, 2004 QuoteI prefer type 17 dive loops as a continuation of the riser. Similar to the way Mirage risers are built. Infinity risers, with mirage dive loops, with Miniforce rings....now there is a plan..... Now that is a good plan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aubsmell 0 #27 August 21, 2004 Quote Ah, yes, the fabled Saloni 2000 dive loops. Aubrey, ask Jody to whip up a set. I took a look at them, I'd like to have a pair for myself, I'l get Jody to hook me up this week, but I don't think they would be kosher for a production riser dive loop. I cold get into why, but that is for another forum..."Those who say it cannot be done, should not interrupt those who are doing it" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aubsmell 0 #28 August 21, 2004 thanks Egon, we don't have a tremendous ammount of sponsored jumpers at the moment, but I agree that is a great avenue. We probibly have about 15 different sets dive loops with different configurations that are being or have been tested, jumped and the like, if you noticed the ones I jump aren't the production ones. The heart of this qestion isn't really what is the best for swooping or the like, as most sponsored folks are highly experienced, more of what I'm looking for is the core. what do peopel find comfortable, our core of customers, the weekend jumper that does a hundred jumps a year, the guy or gal who most likely isn't going to modify the risers from the factory setting. Although I've gotten the most informative answers from the guys with way more jumps than me. Take into account if you look at Jay, Ian, Shannon, Heath, Cisco, JC, Clint, Luigi, all those guys, I'll bet you'll almost never fing the same dive loops on any of their rigs, when you have thousands of jumps you are more likely to fine tune your skydiving gear to fit your perticular style of flight and deisre for perticulars of comfort. What I really want is to have a system that has the best starting point, something that feels natural, is easy to use, easy to locate in flight, and utilize without searching around and looking up, and doesn't require much second effort in packing, along with nutral bulk (rigs, like your girlfriend, look better when they stay slim), I'm getting some great feeback here which is much appriciated tough, and it just gives us more to look at, open our eyes a little bit. As for the Relative workshop Risers, I think the have one of the best production risers on the market, the pin locking system is key, key I tell you. (that is why we snaked that aspect), cost a little more to build, but in my opinion really cuts down the likelyhood of a break fire. By the way, I'm coming to your house tomorrow and staying through tuesday, so make sure you run along to the store tonght, I like Corona. See you tomorrow."Those who say it cannot be done, should not interrupt those who are doing it" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #29 August 21, 2004 Riser tabs to hold down the sider would be incredibly nice I'm liking the VSE risers I have now, but the Wings style is very nice. Slightly larger would be nicer, but I generally think they have the right idea.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #30 August 23, 2004 Actually, Eric, the tabs that hold down the risers on two sets of my Wings risers work great, but pack bulky at the yoke. They are also totally redundant and I only use them on wingsuit jumps under my Sabre2. I don't use tabs on any of my other risers because they don't really pull your slider down far enough to be out of the way for swooping or when you are wearing a camera. As to dive loop designs, I really like the way the ones on my wings pop out to the side on opening. I hate nothing worse than reaching up for my loops after a perfect setup only having to fumble for the types that seem to just lay on your risers. The only problem with the wings design is that the webbing is really skinny and it bites into my hands. I hate to wear gloves, so my hands really get beat up by them on busy days. Peace, Chuckie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aubsmell 0 #31 August 26, 2004 it seams like everyone likes the wings design, this is the only bad thing I've heard about them, I don't think the type 4 webbing will cut into most people who have non cross braced canopies, but people who are doing long turns with a canopy that really builds pressure will fill it for sure, I guess the question is, if you use type 17 in an ourward facing desing like this will you be able to get your slider down over the dive loops? I think that could be a problem, and that's why he went with type 4......"Those who say it cannot be done, should not interrupt those who are doing it" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spy38W 0 #32 August 26, 2004 Quoteit seams like everyone likes the wings design, this is the only bad thing I've heard about them, I don't think the type 4 webbing will cut into most people who have non cross braced canopies, but people who are doing long turns with a canopy that really builds pressure will fill it for sure, I guess the question is, if you use type 17 in an ourward facing desing like this will you be able to get your slider down over the dive loops? I think that could be a problem, and that's why he went with type 4...... Not sure of how possible this is, but what about using some tubular nylon, my thoughts are that it would be less bulky than the type 17, and if you pick a small enough size, shouldn't interfere with the slider coming down. Thoughts? -- Hook high, flare on time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #33 August 26, 2004 Aubrey, I have a set that I had made for me that are along the same lines that work great with out the digging into the fingers part. If you're interested, I could send ya some pictures"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aubsmell 0 #34 August 26, 2004 Thanks Scott, that would be cool, the more picture's I can get the better. a.easterlin(AT)aerodyne-int.com"Those who say it cannot be done, should not interrupt those who are doing it" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #35 August 28, 2004 Definitely popping out, not laying flat, because I can't think of anyone who would want to have to look at their dive loops in order to get their fingers into them at when they're at set-up altitude. Also big enough to get at least 3 fingers into comfortably, maybe four. Also, you might want to consider offering rear-riser loops as an option. I've added them to my risers for casual CRW or getting back from long spots, and don't understand why they're never offered as an option rather than a do-it-yourself aftermarket addition. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #36 August 28, 2004 Aub, I jump a totally removable slider/RDS on my sport/swoop rig and the out-poking wings dive loops do not hang up my slider grommet blocks at all. I can't imagine that a one inch wide type 17 outward-facing loop would hold them up either. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aubsmell 0 #37 April 11, 2005 I just posted a few pics of what we came up with on this thread. [/url]http://dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1583726;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread[url]"Those who say it cannot be done, should not interrupt those who are doing it" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
