strife 0 #376 March 23, 2014 kallend Apparently the French have now sent satellite pictures of debris in the south Indian Ocean. www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/23/mh370-poor-visibility-indian-ocean-search-effort latest update is the french satellite surrendered to the unidentified object. maybe there isnt much particular interesting to keep an eye on in the southern Indian Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #377 March 24, 2014 >My drone has a GPS tracker on it. Reports to a ground station connected to my >iPAD. And that's just to save a grand or so in case it flies away. If I owned a 777 >I'd definitely want a GPS tracker on it. Probably a good decision. The owners of this aircraft had the same option. Would you want to make it a crime to fly your drone without that tracker on, functioning and reporting to a government website? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #378 March 24, 2014 Here - This just in = They have found the plane, It was right next to Nemo.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 52 #379 March 24, 2014 turtlespeedHere - This just in = They have found the plane, It was right next to Nemo. Waldo was.holding a few pieces.lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #380 March 24, 2014 billvonWould you want to make it a crime to fly your drone without that tracker on, functioning and reporting to a government website? There is a difference between what is appropriate for private individuals and what is appropriate for corporations holding themselves out as public accommodations. This is the second time if this thread you've chosen to equate the two and it's almost as if you're intentionally doing it. Why? It's a completely false equivalency.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SoCalJumper 0 #381 March 24, 2014 Since we have no idea where this plane is or what happened I have a theory http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ2QFmJ7h0A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #382 March 24, 2014 >This is the second time if this thread you've chosen to equate the two Kallend equated the two by claiming his drone had this function so it was reasonable to expect aircraft to be required to have it. If you say it's foolish to equate those two things (which I agree with) then your argument is with him. In any case, my objection to such a system is not that it is "inappropriate for corporations holding themselves out as public accommodations" or any such. It is: 1) Iit won't do anything to reduce airplane crashes or save lives. Proof of that is, in part, that: 2) This aircraft had such a system (didn't help) and 3) Such a system, even if working correctly, would not have saved any lives in any incidents that I can think of in the past 20 years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strife 0 #383 March 24, 2014 yes we had more reports on local news about RAAF Orion spotting two objects and HMAS Success is on the scene trying to recover them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #384 March 24, 2014 QuoteI've used google maps to see if a sub division has centralized mail boxes for residents or boxes outside each home. Are you under the impression those pictures were taken from space? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strife 0 #385 March 24, 2014 Looks like they are going to fly the relatives to Australia, looks like they may have found it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LuckyMcSwervy 0 #386 March 24, 2014 I just heard on the news the Malaysian government has asked the relatives to attend the press conference or be somewhere they can watch/listen to the upcoming announcement. I'm really hoping they're about to get an answer to the status of their loved ones. New sightings of "debris" by lower flying aircraft (as opposed to satellites) seems somewhat hopeful as they reporting more specific colors, shapes, etc. Always be kinder than you feel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LuckyMcSwervy 0 #387 March 24, 2014 So what's he saying but not saying? They know where it is but it will end up being unrecoverable?Always be kinder than you feel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strife 0 #388 March 24, 2014 at the moment just that it took the southern corridor and confirmed plane came down in Southern Indian Ocean, plane is lost and no one has survived. Nothing about debris finds Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LuckyMcSwervy 0 #389 March 24, 2014 When they decided on a 10pm local time news conference I was expecting more information.Always be kinder than you feel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #390 March 24, 2014 I hope they find something definitive...if for nothing more than to squelch the 'nano-thermite' crowd.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #391 March 24, 2014 DanGQuoteI've used google maps to see if a sub division has centralized mail boxes for residents or boxes outside each home. Are you under the impression those pictures were taken from space? Are they not? I assumed it was sattelite imagery, is that not the case? (I am obviously not talking about the street view images) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #392 March 24, 2014 SkyDekkerQuoteAre you under the impression those pictures were taken from space? Are they not? I assumed it was sattelite imagery, is that not the case? (I am obviously not talking about the street view images) Google Earth / Google Maps is a mis-mash of imagery. Everything from satellites to low-flying aircraft. The best satellite imagery on it is maybe 1 meter per pixel in most areas (maybe 0.5 meters in some selected cities), which would be pretty useless for a mailbox survey. In areas with a higher interest, there might be slightly better resolution from low-flying aircraft, but usually not. The "worst" resolution is typically the ocean, which in a lot of cases isn't imaged at all, but simply simulated since there's nothing there to see anyway.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #393 March 24, 2014 quade***QuoteAre you under the impression those pictures were taken from space? Are they not? I assumed it was sattelite imagery, is that not the case? (I am obviously not talking about the street view images) Google Earth / Google Maps is a mis-mash of imagery. Everything from satellites to low-flying aircraft. The best satellite imagery on it is maybe 1 meter per pixel in most areas (maybe 0.5 meters in some selected cities), which would be pretty useless for a mailbox survey. In areas with a higher interest, there might be slightly better resolution from low-flying aircraft, but usually not. The "worst" resolution is typically the ocean, which in a lot of cases isn't imaged at all, but simply simulated since there's nothing there to see anyway. Thanks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #394 March 25, 2014 billvon>My drone has a GPS tracker on it. Reports to a ground station connected to my >iPAD. And that's just to save a grand or so in case it flies away. If I owned a 777 >I'd definitely want a GPS tracker on it. Probably a good decision. The owners of this aircraft had the same option. Would you want to make it a crime to fly your drone without that tracker on, functioning and reporting to a government website? No, but neither do I carry 200+ people on my drone. It just seems a sensible thing to do that is inexpensive to implement.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #395 March 25, 2014 billvon>This is the second time if this thread you've chosen to equate the two Kallend equated the two by claiming his drone had this function so it was reasonable to expect aircraft to be required to have it. If you say it's foolish to equate those two things (which I agree with) then your argument is with him. In any case, my objection to such a system is not that it is "inappropriate for corporations holding themselves out as public accommodations" or any such. It is: 1) Iit won't do anything to reduce airplane crashes or save lives. Proof of that is, in part, that: 2) This aircraft had such a system (didn't help) and 3) Such a system, even if working correctly, would not have saved any lives in any incidents that I can think of in the past 20 years. Recovering the remains of crashed aircraft so they can be examined to figure out what's wrong has in the past saved many lives. That's one of the reasons for requiring flight data and voice recorders on scheduled airline service aircraft. Just because they don't save that particular aircraft doesn't mean they don't save lives down the road. You can't examine the remains of a crash if you can't find the remains. There was, for example, a design flaw in the Comets that was not discovered until after the remains of one were recovered from the sea floor. Until MH370 is recovered and examined there is no way to know if there's a problem that can be addressed in the rest of the B777 fleet. The technology for a floating, detachable GPS tracker exists. If MH370 had such a thing the chances are very good that we'd already know where it went down. As it is the search has so far cost in excess of $50 MILLION and not turned up anything. "We're not searching for a needle in a haystack," Mark Binskin, vice chief of the Australian Defence Force, told reporters. "We're still trying to find where the haystack is."... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #396 March 25, 2014 oldwomanc6***Here - This just in = They have found the plane, It was right next to Nemo. Waldo was.holding a few pieces. Carmen Sandiego was marking the spot."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #397 March 26, 2014 Recent video of local ocean condition. This is from the Astralian vessel equipped with a ROV. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/10723108/MH370-Search-boat-battles-huge-waves-in-Indian-Ocean.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LuckyMcSwervy 0 #398 March 26, 2014 1969912Recent video of local ocean condition. This is from the Astralian vessel equipped with a ROV. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/10723108/MH370-Search-boat-battles-huge-waves-in-Indian-Ocean.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Holy mother of God. They're never going to find it, are they?Always be kinder than you feel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #399 March 26, 2014 LuckyMcSwervy***Recent video of local ocean condition. This is from the Astralian vessel equipped with a ROV. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/10723108/MH370-Search-boat-battles-huge-waves-in-Indian-Ocean.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Holy mother of God. They're never going to find it, are they? Welcome to the "Roaring Forties" where the "fetch" stretches around the world Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #400 March 26, 2014 1969912Recent video of local ocean condition. This is from the Astralian vessel equipped with a ROV. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/10723108/MH370-Search-boat-battles-huge-waves-in-Indian-Ocean.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Those days were my favorite in the Navy. Sigh. I miss the hard weather cruises.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
