craddock 0 #401 March 26, 2014 That video is a year old. Cool video though. Hate to be towards the bow in that thing That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #402 March 26, 2014 1969912Recent video of local ocean condition. This is from the Astralian vessel equipped with a ROV. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/10723108/MH370-Search-boat-battles-huge-waves-in-Indian-Ocean.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Equipped with a ROV? Where does that Comment come from? That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SoCalJumper 0 #403 March 26, 2014 Chicago Law Firm Launches Litigation in Malaysia Airlines Jet Disappearance http://abcnews.go.com/International/chicago-law-firm-launches-litigation-malaysia-airlines-jet/story?id=23053436 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #404 March 26, 2014 >If they don't find the jet before the black box stops pinging, they may never find it. Dunno about that - they found both the CVR and FDR on the Air France flight over two years after the crash. However they had a better idea of the original crash location. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #405 March 26, 2014 Quote I don't think they'll EVER find it. The Liberty Bell 7 ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #406 March 26, 2014 airtwardoQuote I don't think they'll EVER find it. The Liberty Bell 7 Think that was in a lot shallower water a lot closer to land than MH370..."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #407 March 26, 2014 craddock***Recent video of local ocean condition. This is from the Astralian vessel equipped with a ROV. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/10723108/MH370-Search-boat-battles-huge-waves-in-Indian-Ocean.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Equipped with a ROV? Where does that Comment come from? I read it on another forum. Could be wrong. ============= What appears to be an aircraft fire bottle was found washed up on a beach in the Maldives. http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/54178 Pics: http://vnews-assets.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/posts/medium_29224.jpg https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSfSEJp5lGvuX2a5FEn_P37l-d9vUaF7BpG9wJ_P_vE6oj4zIDxoQ I'm sure it has a serial number if it really is a fire bottle. Crazy. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #408 March 27, 2014 >All they need is just ONE certified piece of the plane to wash up somewhere >and we can be certain the jet went down in the ocean Nigeria Airways 2120 had a tire fire that caused a fire on the aircraft once the landing gear was retracted. The fire was so intense that it burned through hydraulic systems, wiring and eventually the cabin floor. A lot of debris (including passengers) fell from the aircraft before they crashed. From the Air Safety Foundation report: "Despite the considerable destruction to the airframe, the aircraft appeared to have been controllable until just before the crash." Hopefully this didn't happen here, but if it did we could be finding debris from this aircraft in a lot of places. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #409 March 27, 2014 RobertMBlevinsAll they need is just ONE certified piece of the plane to wash up somewhere and we can be certain the jet went down in the ocean. I once was in a Skyvan at altitude and its #1 engine decided it didn't like its rotor anymore. A big chunk fell out of the sky and it was found under a pick up truck after it had gone through the same pick up truck on impact. The Skyvan landed without further incident. The drop zone bought the pick up and after the DZ owners patched it up and uses it to pick up jumpers that land "off" the main DZ. This is not an isolated incident by any means. There was a Aloha Airlines 737 that decided it wanted to become a convertible while in flight. A HUGE section of the roof popped off, a flight attendant got sucked out, but landed without further incident. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloha_Airlines_Flight_243 Parts depart planes in flight, not all the time, but with a non-zero chance of there being a non-fatal accident involved.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #410 March 27, 2014 Quote...a flight attendant got sucked out, but landed without further incident. ... I'd sure like to see that video! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #411 March 27, 2014 I was thinking the same thing. He gets wound up rather easy sometimes, so I didn't point it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #412 March 27, 2014 normiss I was thinking the same thing. He gets wound up rather easy sometimes, so I didn't point it out. Fair enough. It wasn't the most elegant sentence I've ever written. Meh.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #413 March 27, 2014 I've made much more egregious errors. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #414 March 27, 2014 quade Parts depart planes in flight, not all the time, but with a non-zero chance of there being a non-fatal accident involved. Happened just last Fall near Chicago: chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/11/09/plane-returnsto-ohare-after-engine-falls-off/... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #415 March 27, 2014 normiss I've made much more egregious errors. Yeah...just look at your canopy! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #416 March 27, 2014 BillyVance *** Quote I don't think they'll EVER find it. The Liberty Bell 7 Think that was in a lot shallower water a lot closer to land than MH370... Well HELL Billy ~ if ya know where 370 IS... call somebody! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #417 March 27, 2014 kallend*** Parts depart planes in flight, not all the time, but with a non-zero chance of there being a non-fatal accident involved. Happened just last Fall near Chicago: chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/11/09/plane-returnsto-ohare-after-engine-falls-off/ Coming out of a little breakfast dinner in O.B. Ca. years ago...we hear loud crash as the cargo door form a departing jet goes sliding by down the street at a VERY fast speed! That street is on a direct path from the main runway @ Lindberg...the door didn't hit anybody or anything, just slid for about two blocks coming to rest against the curb. Scary stuff ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #418 March 29, 2014 This was a pretty cool experiment. From post# 8637, page 432 at link below. Mods there have been deleting posts like crazy. http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost-432.html " As a 777 pilot I, like many others, have wondered how the 777 would perform in the scenario where the pilots were incapacitated and the aircraft ran out of fuel. I had my ideas but there is nothing like seeing it for "real" so we tried this in a 777-2 full motion zero flight time approved simulator. We used a zero fuel weight of 175 tonnes. We let it run out of fuel at FL 250 in track hold and alt capture. However it would not make any difference what mode it was in as everything would drop out. In real life one engine uses fractionally more fuel per hour than the other and there is typically a difference between main tanks of a few hundred kilos, so we had a 300 kg difference between the contents of the left and right tank. When the first engine failed TAC (Thrust asymmetry compensation) automatically applied rudder. The speed reduced from 320 knots indicated to 245 knots indicated. It was able to maintain 245 knots and FL250. When the second engine failed the rudder trim applied by TAC was taken out and the trim went to zero. The autopilot dropped out and the flight controls reverted to direct mode. The speed initially came back to 230 knots but then the nose started to lower. The nose continued to lower and the rate of descent increased to 4,000 feet per minute, the nose kept lowering and the descent rate increased to 7,500 feet per minute with a bank angle that increased to 25 degrees. The speed at this point had increased to 340 knots indicated, above VMO but there was no horn as it was on limited electrics. About this point the RAT (Ram air turbine) chipped in and the CDUs and copilot's PFD (Primary flight display) came alive. The flight controls stayed in direct mode.The eicas screen was full of messages like pitot heat, flight controls, APU fault (The APU had tried to autostart due double engine failure but failed due no fuel to start it) low fuel pressure etc. Then with a max descent rate of almost 8,000 feet per minute the nose started to slowly rise and keep rising. We had dropped to about FL170 but the nose slowly rose up to 6 degrees pitch up and we started climbing at about 3000 feet per minute and the bank angle reduced to only 5 degrees. It climbed back up to FL210 at which point the speed had come back to 220 knots and then the nose dropped down again and we were soon back to descending at 8000 feet per minute. So basically a series of phugoid oscillations with bank angle between 5 and 25 degrees and pitch attitude between about 9 degrees nose down and 6 degrees pitch up. It was losing about 8000 feet and then gaining about 3 or 4000 feet with airspeed fluctuating between 220 and 340 knots. We didn't watch it all the way down due time constraints and stopped the experiment at 10,000 feet but it was consistent all the way down. Having watched it I can say with certainty that if the pilots were incapacitated and it ran out of fuel there is no way it could have landed on the water with anything like a survivable impact. Just passing on the info. suninmyeyes is offline Reply" "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #419 March 29, 2014 kallend *** Parts depart planes in flight, not all the time, but with a non-zero chance of there being a non-fatal accident involved. Happened just last Fall near Chicago: chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/11/09/plane-returnsto-ohare-after-engine-falls-off/ Was William Shatner on that flight?"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strife 0 #420 March 29, 2014 this is confirmed to by CNN https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bj1mk9qCEAAwHQY.jpg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #421 March 29, 2014 Today, they're searching for survivors. Is Malaysia always so damn misinformed and confused? One extreme to the other on the news this whole time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LuckyMcSwervy 0 #422 March 29, 2014 strife this is confirmed to by CNN https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bj1mk9qCEAAwHQY.jpg Hell, even I could've told them that without all of the fancy bells and whistles and cost of utilizing a flight simulator. Always be kinder than you feel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 0 #423 March 29, 2014 LuckyMcSwervy ***this is confirmed to by CNN https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bj1mk9qCEAAwHQY.jpg Hell, even I could've told them that without all of the fancy bells and whistles and cost of utilizing a flight simulator. In other news, Newton's law still not repealed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LuckyMcSwervy 0 #424 March 29, 2014 Opie ******this is confirmed to by CNN https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bj1mk9qCEAAwHQY.jpg Hell, even I could've told them that without all of the fancy bells and whistles and cost of utilizing a flight simulator. In other news, Newton's law still not repealed Always be kinder than you feel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #425 March 29, 2014 Seems like they've been finding some of the stuff seen on radar by ship and pulling them onboard, but none of it seems to have been confirmed as coming from MH370, just floating garbage..."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
