BillyVance 34 #76 March 12, 2014 Maybe the Langoliers were coming and they flew into the light into oblivion. I got nothing else... "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #77 March 12, 2014 LuckyMcSwervy******But if the jet crashed into the ocean somewhere...why hasn't anyone seen a single piece of debris yet? That is an assumption not in evidence. People assume it crashed into the ocean. It could have just as easily crashed into jungle or into the side of a mountain or landed somewhere. At this point it's too early to tell. It's also a very big world and it's entirely possible the search team isn't looking in remotely the right spot. We see the same nonsense over and over again about these wild assumptions. I'm sure I could Google this question but I was wondering... what is the distance the emergency beacons can be detected? I think I read the length of time is approximately 30 days but I don't remember reading about a detection range. ELT signals are received by satellite. So the range is essentially unlimited. Wiki Clicky And it's a big ocean. They reportedly are searching in 2 separate areas, over a combined 37 thousand square miles."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #78 March 12, 2014 And enter the blatant racist You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #79 March 12, 2014 airtwardoNot sure about that 777 but on some the Air France airbus thing can't happen...IF the computer is working the Boeing won't 'let' you stall. IIRC - you get the audio yelling at ya & the stick shaker going - then it just takes over. Yeah, if. The Air France Airbus crash itself wouldn't have happened IF the flight computer and all its sensors were working properly. But some pitot tubes iced over which meant the flight computer didn't know exactly what was happening and switched to a non-override mode where the human pilots had full control. Unfortunately the human pilots were assuming that the flight computer would overrule them if they were doing something stupid, which they were.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #80 March 12, 2014 rwiederQuoteSatellite footage should show, right? That was one of my first thoughts. I don't think whatever happened is being reported, however I am under the impression somebody knows what happened. What satellite footage? Why would there be satellite footage of a random airliner in flight over an ocean?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 219 #81 March 12, 2014 jakee***QuoteSatellite footage should show, right? That was one of my first thoughts. I don't think whatever happened is being reported, however I am under the impression somebody knows what happened. What satellite footage? Why would there be satellite footage of a random airliner in flight over an ocean? That's how the NSA rolls.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #82 March 12, 2014 turtlespeed******QuoteSatellite footage should show, right? That was one of my first thoughts. I don't think whatever happened is being reported, however I am under the impression somebody knows what happened. What satellite footage? Why would there be satellite footage of a random airliner in flight over an ocean? That's how the NSA rolls. Actually, that's how private companies roll (well, the images are not of the time of the crash, but to see if remnants are visible) http://www.digitalglobeblog.com/ And, it appears there may be a lead: http://globalnews.ca/news/1202910/oil-rig-worker-saw-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-go-down-report/Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #83 March 12, 2014 Also understand the ELT only works on the surface. If it sank or was destroyed on impact, then it's not going to be picked up by anything.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #84 March 12, 2014 Looks like the DG Tomnod site is back online: http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #85 March 12, 2014 quadeAlso understand the ELT only works on the surface. If it sank or was destroyed on impact, then it's not going to be picked up by anything. John Mitchell said the same thing a while back. Once it hits the water, the ELT doesn't work. Then it goes to sonar pinging. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #86 March 12, 2014 lawrocket***Also understand the ELT only works on the surface. If it sank or was destroyed on impact, then it's not going to be picked up by anything. John Mitchell said the same thing a while back. Once it hits the water, the ELT doesn't work. Then it goes to sonar pinging. Which is only good for a nominal 30 days and for a distance of about 10km.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rifleman 70 #87 March 12, 2014 Apparently, Rolls Royce in Derby received at least 2 ACARS reports from the engines before it disappeared. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25201-malaysian-plane-sent-out-engine-data-before-vanishing.html#.UyCVHtJdWYEAtheism is a Non-Prophet Organisation Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LuckyMcSwervy 0 #88 March 12, 2014 quade ******Also understand the ELT only works on the surface. If it sank or was destroyed on impact, then it's not going to be picked up by anything. John Mitchell said the same thing a while back. Once it hits the water, the ELT doesn't work. Then it goes to sonar pinging. Which is only good for a nominal 30 days and for a distance of about 10km. I wonder how much force it takes to whack one of these into activation? Years ago, my Dad had the one for his new (to him) airplane in the trunk of his car. It somehow was activated and people came looking for the signal, narrowed it down to his car in the parking lot of the police station. Oops. Always be kinder than you feel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #89 March 12, 2014 Not that uncommon. Happens a couple of times a year.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LuckyMcSwervy 0 #90 March 12, 2014 quadeNot that uncommon. Happens a couple of times a year. I did not know that! Thanks!Always be kinder than you feel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #91 March 12, 2014 Years ago when a student of mine would have a hard landing, I'd ask him to tune to 121.5 just for giggles to see if he'd get the joke, although even that actually does happen sometimes; ELT set off by hard landing.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LuckyMcSwervy 0 #92 March 12, 2014 quade Years ago when a student of mine would have a hard landing, I'd ask him to tune to 121.5 just for giggles to see if he'd get the joke, although even that actually does happen sometimes; ELT set off by hard landing. You're clever! If I heard an instructor say that to me I'd probably be highly embarrassed and never do that again, hopefully! Always be kinder than you feel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #93 March 12, 2014 lawrocketSo are you suggesting a hacker could have taken it down? A "Stuxjet," so to speak? Sorry, I was kind of busy last night. I was thinking that someone might be able to access an equipment bay and do something that might screw up their navigation systems or disable comms or other equipment. I guess one might be able to take over all control, but that would be pretty far out. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #94 March 12, 2014 QuoteTransponder stops. Plane goes west, off course. Nothing more heard. Now debris. Maybe debris...maybe. Until a serial number on a part pops up that is 100% documented to have come from the plane, I wouldn't be too sure about anything, but especially that it is in fact the plane itself.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #95 March 12, 2014 Bob, no. You're guessing and your imagination isn't big enough nor is considering all the options. There is nothing yet that proves the transponder was turned off intentionally. If the aircraft few out of radar coverage, the transponder is irrelevant since radar wouldn't have picked it up anyway.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #96 March 12, 2014 Squeak And enter the blatant racist I think he was commenting on the apparent unprofessional conduct. I read somewhere that the chicks were in the cockpit for a whole flight. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #97 March 12, 2014 QuoteIf they were in trouble, why didn't the crew communicate? Why didn't any of the passengers attempt phone calls? Maybe they couldn't...or were not allowed to do so. Again, Bob, your imagination simply isn't big enough. Here's just one option, remote as it is, it's still in the realm of possibility. A small chunk of space debris deorbited and smashed into the cockpit windscreen instantly killing both pilots and explosively decompressed the cabin killing all the passengers before any cell phone towers come into range. Then the plane slowly drifts off course and crashes into the sea. Am I saying that's what happened? No f'ing way. Is that still on the table? Absolutely. Nothing is off the table until the data recorders are analyzed.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigMikeH77 0 #98 March 12, 2014 After proposing and exploring many, many scenarios, and taking into account all known factors of the events leading up to the disappearance, I have come to the following conclusion about the events and ultimate fate of Malaysian Air flight 370... This is the only plausible scenario I've found that takes everything into consideration: The plane was hijacked; crew had no time to initiate distress signals. The crew disabled all transponder equipment at gunpoint and were forbidden from using the radio. The plane changed heading for an alternate (unknown) location. Malaysian Air Defense Forces track the plane, now a bogey since no identifying signals are being transmitted, back over Malaysia and shoot the aircraft down (either with AA missile or scrambled fighters) over the Andaman Sea. Malaysian forces spend two days clearing all major debris hoping to avoid blame for killing over 200 people. discuss... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #99 March 12, 2014 Willing to put your money where your mouth is? An actual bet of some sort?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigMikeH77 0 #100 March 12, 2014 I really can't. Trying not to gamble anymore. But I DO think that is a very plausible and reasonable scenario. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
