Wings Anti-Line Twist Main D-Bag

[Girlfalldown 0]

I'm putting together a new container and I came across the Anti-Line Twist Main D-Bag on the Wings website:

website here

Do any of you have experience with this? If so, does it work? Pros and cons?

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[hookitt 1]

That's a pretty standard feature now. That's the same type of bag on my Infinity, and other manufactures.

It works well and it's easier to contain the lines since they don't stick out the sides of the bag.

Does your current bag only have stows to the outside? I can easily modify your bag if you wish.

[ianmdrennan 2]

While I don't have a Wings my VortexII has this type of D-bag. Honestly I don't think it makes one bit of difference to line twists but I still prefer how it packs.

Line twists are almost always from bad body position.

Blues,
Ian

Performance Designs Factory Team

[Girlfalldown 0]

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That's a pretty standard feature now. That's the same type of bag on my Infinity, and other manufactures.

It works well and it's easier to contain the lines since they don't stick out the sides of the bag.

Does your current bag only have stows to the outside? I can easily modify your bag if you wish.

Yeah. Just stows to the outside. I'm kind of confused as to how this works. I don't suppose you have a picture of the lines stowed in it laying around?

I'll be selling my gear so I don't need it modified but thanks.

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[GeeeeeeFly 0]

Rigging Innovations, and Infinity as well as Mirage have this already.

Just ask them for the line stows to be in the center of the bag vs, on the out side and they will do it...

I am pretty sure it comes standard with Infinity and Mirage. But R.I. will substitue the genera bag if asked...

~G~

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[diablopilot 2]

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I'm kind of confused as to how this works. I don't suppose you have a picture of the lines stowed in it laying around?

If you move the stows inboard (closer to the center of the bag) the theory is there is less side to side rotation of the bag as the lines strip out of the stows. This in turn doesn't allow the bag to be rotated in the airstream as much and reduces the chance the bag will spin before the canopy is out. Seems to work, and packs cleaner too.

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[ChadFlorian 0]

The student wings I learned to pack on had these type of stows... My new (used) odyssey has the edge of the bag stows. I like the way having all the lines on the bottom of the bag packed alot better...

How hard is this type of mod? Obviously I would have my rigger do it. Maybe on my next reserve pack.

[hookitt 1]

You don't need to wait for a reserve repack. It's on the main so the bag can be taken off and have the loops put sewn on.

It's a quick fix.

[freeflajankie 0]

Hey,

This dbag works like this:

Instead of pulling from the middle of the bag where the bridle comes out, it distributes the lift from the sides of the bag instead. And therefore lessens the chance of linetwist.
You have the options of putting the rubberbands either on the side or the top.
Me personally prefers it on the top.

Blue skies
Ankie

Skydivers are a bunch of insensitive jerks...
And that's why I don't skydive anymore!

[ChadFlorian 0]

Ah, so it has more to do with how the bridle attaches to the d-bag... Not how the lines are stowed... So such would likely require a whole new dbag/bridle/pilot chute?...

[freakshow 0]

No it has to do with how the lines are stowed. It doesn't necessarily require a new bag, we've done conversions on a couple bags.

B.L. (the brain)

[KCJumper 0]

I recently had to order a new d bag from wings and got the new anti twist. When it arrived i was actually surpised to find an additional flap on the bottom of the bag that the bridle attached to. When i hold it up by the bridle it looks a lot like a freebag with the triangle shape at the top.

I have been jumping mine with a crossfire, which is my first eliptical, and not being one who flies through his opening very smoothly have had no line twist or issues. Not sure if it's the bag or i am just lucky.
Personally i like the new bag. And the bag i got does have the option of stowing on top or the sides for your lines.

Patrick

[ChadFlorian 0]

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Instead of pulling from the middle of the bag where the bridle comes out, it distributes the lift from the sides of the bag instead. And therefore lessens the chance of linetwist.
You have the options of putting the rubberbands either on the side or the top.

This makes it sound like he's talking about the way the bridle "lifts" the bag, not the way the stows resist the lift. Seems like a combination of both distributed lift and having the "resistance" (stows)centered would provide the best result. Of course none of it really matters without good body position...

[SkymonkeyONE 4]

No, you are only half right. The anti-spin bag on a new Wings container has center stows AND a triangular flap that is sewn to the bag from side to side and extends up about six or eight inches up the bridle where it is tacked. The combination of this flap/bridle pulling your bag straight out of your container and the center stows keeps the bag from "rocking" back and forth, thus preventing it from spinning around. I have an older bag on one of my rigs and an anti-spin on the other. I keep the anti-spin on my wingsuit rig and it works great. I had it on my swoop rig for a while, but the added material of the flap (and my long bridle) make it more of a pain to roll up and stow neatly in my RDS pocket.

Chuck

[freeflajankie 0]

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Ah, so it has more to do with how the bridle attaches to the d-bag... Not how the lines are stowed... So such would likely require a whole new dbag/bridle/pilot chute?...***
The anti line twist D bag we have is different from the other manufacturers D bag. I don't think the other manufacturer has it. (I’m not sure though)
Anyway, as you can see on the attached picture it has a triangular point attached to it which is also sewn to the P/C which allows the bag to pull out equally instead of just from the middle. The lines stows on the top is just a preference. The way this D bag is designed is similar to our free bag.

I hope this picture helped, since it seemed as if people here didn't follow the link and actually saw the bag and thought we where only talking about how the lines where stowed.

If you want this feature you only need a new dbag, which costs $40.00 and you can either have your rigger sew on the P/C for you or send your P/C to us and we will sew it on for you for free.

Blue skies
Ankie

Skydivers are a bunch of insensitive jerks...
And that's why I don't skydive anymore!

[okalb 104]

Chad, The top stow Mod does make a big difference as well. For some reason Sunpath will not offer this as an option even though people keep asking for them. Sally regularly adds top stows to javelin D-bags. Just bring it by the shop and she can do it. It doesn't cost much and really does make a difference.

-OK

Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana

[ChadFlorian 0]

Cool... Thanks Oren... I'm due for a reserve repack in a few weeks. I'll probably have sally add those top stows then... It's not a critical issue as I'm getting nice openings. I just liked the way they pack the lines all on the bottom and don't wrap around the sides of the d-bag.
FWIW.. I spent a good deal of last weekend practicing packing my new sabre2... Getting better! It'll be nice to not have to wait for all the tandem rigs to be packed before the packers get to mine....

BlueSkies!
-Chad

[gjhdiver 0]

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Yeah. Just stows to the outside. I'm kind of confused as to how this works. I don't suppose you have a picture of the lines stowed in it laying around?

I'll be selling my gear so I don't need it modified but thanks.

Actually, your gear has both stows installed on it. They have since day one unless someone put a different bag in there. I'll show you next time you're out at the DZ.

Also, the new Wings anti-twist bag is much different that the bag that you have. Look at JP's next time you see him. There is a special triangular attachment at the bridle to stop the bag from rocking from side to side.

[hookitt 1]

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There is a special triangular attachment at the bridle to stop the bag from rocking from side to side.

Nice... that's the part I was wondering about. The picture on the website sucks.

Edit: Then again, it may be the resolution here at work.

[Girlfalldown 0]

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Actually, your gear has both stows installed on it. They have since day one unless someone put a different bag in there. I'll show you next time you're out at the DZ.

Great. I should be there Saturday. Thanks!

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[Samurai136 0]

Other people call them "in-board line stows". It's an easy mod to do to any D-bag. I haven't seen the flap feature...

I have In-board line stows on all my D-bags. Then I quit using them. It doesn't really change all that much in terms of opening and I think it makes it easier to pack yourself a nice bag-lock. One where the mil-spec bands will not break.

Keep in mind that every "new-innovation" to prevent one problem opens up the opportunity for "new, unforseen" malfunctions. Soft-links are a great example.
Ken

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Ken

[hookitt 1]

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I think it makes it easier to pack yourself a nice bag-lock.

Why do you think it's easier to pack a nice bag-lock?

[Samurai136 0]

There are more stows closer together. The difference between a stow that's too long and the right size stow is smaller than with a standard stow placement.

So you've got more stows having the potential to loop around the next stow and baglock.

"Yeah, I got this great new 'anti-linetwist' D-bag!"

Me: Do you remember what that bag lock photo looks like from your student training days?

Ken

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Ken

[hookitt 1]

Ok.. I disagree.. but I understand what you're talking about.

My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto

[SkydiveNFlorida 0]

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The difference between a stow that's too long and the right size stow is smaller than with a standard stow placement.

So, what is the right size stow for these d-bags, then? I have a side stow bag currently, but have ordered a center stow bag for my new containter... I assume the smaller the better.

And can't you just stow them every other stow at first where the brake lines are bulky to prevent the stows from being too close? That's what I currently do, I spread the stows out rather than just doing the first few so close to one another, that way they won't catch on one another (hopefully). Are the stows really that much closer on the center stow bags that it makes them a hazzard? A lot of people use them successfully.

-A