turtlespeed 226 #1 January 5, 2015 Holly crap - what a sad and happy story. So brave and so lucky.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 60 #2 January 5, 2015 Sailor is a very fortunate little girl. Oddly, her sister, who didn't survive the crash was named Piper. lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #3 January 5, 2015 oldwomanc6 Sailor is a very fortunate little girl. Oddly, her sister, who didn't survive the crash was named Piper. Why is that odd?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #4 January 5, 2015 I'll bet they have had baby and airplane around similar time.Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peek 21 #5 January 5, 2015 turtlespeedHolly crap - what a sad and happy story. So brave and so lucky. Marty Gutzler flew jumpers for Archway Skydiving Center in Sparta, IL, long ago when Dave Verner owned it. I don't think I remember him from there. A number of years ago he stopped by Vandalia, IL where Archway moved to. I talked to him for a while about the old days. When I heard about the accident I realized it was Marty and contacted Dave. It turns out Marty was a good friend of Dave's nephew in Nashville, IL. Although I did not know Marty well, the accident seems so close to me. Sailor Gutzler has a tough time ahead of her. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #6 January 5, 2015 turtlespeed Oddly, her sister, who didn't survive the crash was named Piper. Why is that odd? The plane was a Piper Seneca. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #7 January 5, 2015 JohnMitchellThe plane was a Piper Seneca. I had not previously realized the Seneca was a twin version of the Cherokee 6, and had a very interesting prototype. Some searching turned up a pic of the prototype:"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #8 January 5, 2015 I'll be damned. Thanks for the pic. Still curious as to the cause of the crash. So many things can go wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,445 #9 January 5, 2015 Hi John, Quote Still curious as to the cause of the crash. If I know the FAA it will be carb ice. That seems to be their solution to everything. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slater 0 #10 January 5, 2015 turtlespeedHolly crap - what a sad and happy story. So brave and so lucky. Brave but not so lucky as smart and training, she is find way out from her padre teach her survival as skill, makes sense as padre old pilot and jump pilot too! But yes, lucky live threw crash when all others dead. Respect to girl and padre who is teach her such good thing! SlaterMcConkey es Dios Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #11 January 6, 2015 Another sad thing is that, if the parent did not have proper will towards the girl, the government will take away most of the assets.Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #12 January 6, 2015 stayhighAnother sad thing is that, if the parent did not have proper will towards the girl, the government will take away most of the assets. Intestate Succession in Illinois: http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/intestate-succession-illinois.html"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #13 January 6, 2015 JohnMitchell I'll be damned. Thanks for the pic. Still curious as to the cause of the crash. So many things can go wrong. Also interested. Apparently the pilot reported engine trouble to ATC then lost contact. No prelim NTSB report yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #14 January 7, 2015 Conundrum ***I'll be damned. Thanks for the pic. Still curious as to the cause of the crash. So many things can go wrong. Also interested. Apparently the pilot reported engine trouble to ATC then lost contact. No prelim NTSB report yet. I heard something about the plane going inverted . . . maybe an aileron problem?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #15 January 7, 2015 turtlespeed I heard something about the plane going inverted . . . maybe an aileron problem? Sadly, losing one engine on a multi engine plane has caused more than a few pilots to lose control of the aircraft, although it's totally avoidable (just like most fatalities in OUR sport). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #16 January 8, 2015 JohnMitchell *** I heard something about the plane going inverted . . . maybe an aileron problem? Sadly, losing one engine on a multi engine plane has caused more than a few pilots to lose control of the aircraft, although it's totally avoidable (just like most fatalities in OUR sport). Any thoughts on what made the plane flip?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #17 January 8, 2015 it was late in the day.. maybe temps were dropping, especially at altitude. was there also precipitation happening??? it would be tough to fight off, rime ice on wings and fuselage, IF an engine was acting Up... sad SAD situation... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #18 January 8, 2015 jimmytavino it was late in the day.. maybe temps were dropping, especially at altitude. was there also precipitation happening??? it would be tough to fight off, rime ice on wings and fuselage, IF an engine was acting Up... sad SAD situation... Although I've been privy to a number of plane crashes, it's like skydiving incidents. Without the basic facts, I always have more questions than answers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
