mjrod 0 #1 October 12, 2004 What does a Kill Line do on a collapsable PC? Is a regular PC with a BOC PVC type handle OK? I have jumped the spring loaded PCs on MT1, and recently have been jumpinf rental rigs with the kill line, collapsable PC, but I recently bought a Prestige container with a non-collapsable PC. Do I need the other type? Thanks for the education, Miguel<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patkat 0 #2 October 12, 2004 QuoteQuoteWhat does a Kill Line do on a collapsable PC? Is a regular PC with a BOC PVC type handle OK? I have jumped the spring loaded PCs on MT1, and recently have been jumpinf rental rigs with the kill line, collapsable PC, but I recently bought a Prestige container with a non-collapsable PC. Do I need the other type? Thanks for the education, Miguel Here's some quick answers to your questions, Miguel. 1. A kill line pulls the pilot chute inside out once the bridle stretches all the way out. This minimizes the drag from the pilot chute on your main canopy. 2. A regular old PC with a plastic handle is fine. The only two caveats are that a) it will create a bit of extra drag while under canopy - which probably doesn't matter under the type of canopy you are (hopefully) flying at the 88 jumps your profile indicates and b) you won't be in the habit of cocking (turning it right side out while packing, so it will work)the PC. 3. You don't "need" the kill-line PC. They are nice to have, because your canopy will fly a bit better with a kill line PC, and it's good to get into the habit of cocking the PC and checking to make sure it's cocked. Probably a kill line PC will make an appreciable difference on your next main canopy, so why not get in the habit of dealing with it now? You should discuss the issue with your friendly local rigger, and find out if there are acceptable and affordable substitutions. If you are jumping a big ole new guy-type canopy. a new PC may not may much sense, budget-wise. But that's for you and your rigger to decide. -Blues, PatkatPatkat gotta exercise my demons! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyhighkiy 0 #3 October 12, 2004 the only beef I have w/ the big plastic handle is that it's sometimes a bit hard to grab. I've had one on my rig since I bought it at jump 14 and I find myself needing to stick my fingers inside the handle in order to pull it out. Just a heads up, a couple weeks ago I Found myself approaching 2 grand trying to get my fingers in and pull ( a little too close to the ground for my comfort level, beingthat I was that close unintentionally) Just my experiences with it, congrats on the new container :) BE THE BUDDHA! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #4 October 12, 2004 QuoteI find myself needing to stick my fingers inside the handle in order to pull it out. That has to be quite literally one of the scariest things I've seen all day! Instead of doing something that could be potentially harmful, why don't you try some different packing techniques for your PC (try the Brian Germain method) and have a rigger look at your BOC to make sure it is manufactured and instealled correctly.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjrod 0 #5 October 12, 2004 Thanks to all. his helps with the information. I am and will be flying a big Nav 280 for the next 100 - 200 jumps, so the PC will work fine, until whenever. i may have a hackey sewn on, but only for personal tastes. Thanks again to everyone.<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #6 October 12, 2004 Sticking fingers inside a PVC handle is a scary practice! At a bare minimum, stuff the handle with cork or tape over the ends. As for your original question: kill-line pilot-chutes make little difference when you load canopies less than one pound per square foot. Icarus (a major canopy manufaturer) says that bungee-collapsible pilot chutes are acceptable up to wing loadings of 1.35 : 1. When you load a canopy more than 1.35 .... you really should get a kill-line pilot chute, to prevent the pilot chute from re-inflating during a high-speed turn onto final. Hee! Hee! Though I suspect that you are a year or two away from "high speed turns onto final." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyhighkiy 0 #7 October 12, 2004 I'll look in to his method for the sake of having more ideas and knowledge in my head, but the tension or the PC being stuck in teh boc wasn't the problem. I planned on pulling right around 3 anyway but the handle was a little more inside the BOC than I would've liked (even though I thought it was fine in the plane) and my fingers had gotten wierd from the cold, which I Didn't notice until I went for the pull (gotta love michigan) i'm just getting away from the pvc thing altogether, got a new pc (with monkeyfist ) on the way is the "potentially harmful" part you speak of sticking my fingers in it? and are you saying harmful because they could get stuck? rigger already look at the BOC How do you guys go about pulling a PVC handle? Mine doesn'treally hang outenough to grab in the palm of the hand thx BE THE BUDDHA! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites robertmicp 0 #8 October 12, 2004 Quotehow do you guys go about pulling a PVC handle? Mine doesn'treally hang outenough to grab in the palm of the hand Is the PVC smaller then normal? Do you have big hands? I never really thought of this an issue before now. Im still on student status and have jumped 5 differant rigs, 3 with PVC, 1 hacky, 1 monkey fist. Once I have the rig on, Im always checking that I can find the PC before getting in the A/C. Just my .02 "Also I heard the voice of the Lord saying who shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, here am I, send me." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BBKid 0 #9 October 12, 2004 QuoteHow do you guys go about pulling a PVC handle? Mine doesn'treally hang outenough to grab in the palm of the hand thx Hate to be unhelpful, but if it doesn't hang out enough, pull it out a little when packing so that it does. The handle shouldn't be "inside" the BOC at all. I always check my handle as I get up to exit, since I know they can be pushed inside when moving around in the plane. Nick --------------------------- "I've pierced my foot on a spike!!!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyhighkiy 0 #10 October 12, 2004 Naah, problem isn't finding the handle in this particular case I had found it, I was just having a hard time grabbing it because of the position and wierdness of my hands from cold. as far as pulling it out. I know the attachment btwn the handle and the PC seems to be a bit short, but no shorter than other ones I've worked with, I've just always pulled this way. I have the handle pulled out as far is it'll go without exposing material (I'm rarely bellyflying) normal hands, normal PVC aaah well, I'll just switch PC's, I would like to know if anyone's heard of someonegetting their fingers stuck tho, sorry, don't mean to hi-jack the thread! BE THE BUDDHA! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #11 October 12, 2004 Quoteis the "potentially harmful" part you speak of sticking my fingers in it? and are you saying harmful because they could get stuck? Yup. Think about the scenerio if it did get stuck. You now have a horseshoe malfunction stretched up and over your reserve container, that same reserve you need to deploy to save your life. Deploying your LAST chance into a wad of shit that's right above your reserve. Its easy not to be in that scenerio. Have good clean PC throws and keep your fingers out of the PVC!--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
skyhighkiy 0 #3 October 12, 2004 the only beef I have w/ the big plastic handle is that it's sometimes a bit hard to grab. I've had one on my rig since I bought it at jump 14 and I find myself needing to stick my fingers inside the handle in order to pull it out. Just a heads up, a couple weeks ago I Found myself approaching 2 grand trying to get my fingers in and pull ( a little too close to the ground for my comfort level, beingthat I was that close unintentionally) Just my experiences with it, congrats on the new container :) BE THE BUDDHA! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #4 October 12, 2004 QuoteI find myself needing to stick my fingers inside the handle in order to pull it out. That has to be quite literally one of the scariest things I've seen all day! Instead of doing something that could be potentially harmful, why don't you try some different packing techniques for your PC (try the Brian Germain method) and have a rigger look at your BOC to make sure it is manufactured and instealled correctly.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjrod 0 #5 October 12, 2004 Thanks to all. his helps with the information. I am and will be flying a big Nav 280 for the next 100 - 200 jumps, so the PC will work fine, until whenever. i may have a hackey sewn on, but only for personal tastes. Thanks again to everyone.<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #6 October 12, 2004 Sticking fingers inside a PVC handle is a scary practice! At a bare minimum, stuff the handle with cork or tape over the ends. As for your original question: kill-line pilot-chutes make little difference when you load canopies less than one pound per square foot. Icarus (a major canopy manufaturer) says that bungee-collapsible pilot chutes are acceptable up to wing loadings of 1.35 : 1. When you load a canopy more than 1.35 .... you really should get a kill-line pilot chute, to prevent the pilot chute from re-inflating during a high-speed turn onto final. Hee! Hee! Though I suspect that you are a year or two away from "high speed turns onto final." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyhighkiy 0 #7 October 12, 2004 I'll look in to his method for the sake of having more ideas and knowledge in my head, but the tension or the PC being stuck in teh boc wasn't the problem. I planned on pulling right around 3 anyway but the handle was a little more inside the BOC than I would've liked (even though I thought it was fine in the plane) and my fingers had gotten wierd from the cold, which I Didn't notice until I went for the pull (gotta love michigan) i'm just getting away from the pvc thing altogether, got a new pc (with monkeyfist ) on the way is the "potentially harmful" part you speak of sticking my fingers in it? and are you saying harmful because they could get stuck? rigger already look at the BOC How do you guys go about pulling a PVC handle? Mine doesn'treally hang outenough to grab in the palm of the hand thx BE THE BUDDHA! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robertmicp 0 #8 October 12, 2004 Quotehow do you guys go about pulling a PVC handle? Mine doesn'treally hang outenough to grab in the palm of the hand Is the PVC smaller then normal? Do you have big hands? I never really thought of this an issue before now. Im still on student status and have jumped 5 differant rigs, 3 with PVC, 1 hacky, 1 monkey fist. Once I have the rig on, Im always checking that I can find the PC before getting in the A/C. Just my .02 "Also I heard the voice of the Lord saying who shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, here am I, send me." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BBKid 0 #9 October 12, 2004 QuoteHow do you guys go about pulling a PVC handle? Mine doesn'treally hang outenough to grab in the palm of the hand thx Hate to be unhelpful, but if it doesn't hang out enough, pull it out a little when packing so that it does. The handle shouldn't be "inside" the BOC at all. I always check my handle as I get up to exit, since I know they can be pushed inside when moving around in the plane. Nick --------------------------- "I've pierced my foot on a spike!!!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyhighkiy 0 #10 October 12, 2004 Naah, problem isn't finding the handle in this particular case I had found it, I was just having a hard time grabbing it because of the position and wierdness of my hands from cold. as far as pulling it out. I know the attachment btwn the handle and the PC seems to be a bit short, but no shorter than other ones I've worked with, I've just always pulled this way. I have the handle pulled out as far is it'll go without exposing material (I'm rarely bellyflying) normal hands, normal PVC aaah well, I'll just switch PC's, I would like to know if anyone's heard of someonegetting their fingers stuck tho, sorry, don't mean to hi-jack the thread! BE THE BUDDHA! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #11 October 12, 2004 Quoteis the "potentially harmful" part you speak of sticking my fingers in it? and are you saying harmful because they could get stuck? Yup. Think about the scenerio if it did get stuck. You now have a horseshoe malfunction stretched up and over your reserve container, that same reserve you need to deploy to save your life. Deploying your LAST chance into a wad of shit that's right above your reserve. Its easy not to be in that scenerio. Have good clean PC throws and keep your fingers out of the PVC!--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
