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[BillyVance 34]

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I never quite understood why otherwise sensible people sometimes wax almost nostalgic at adults in positions of institutionalized power having used weapons to commit acts of violence against juveniles in schools back when they were kids.

I take it you don't believe in "Spare the rod and spoil the child".

No discipline at school or home has pushed this world into its current sorry state.

Let me convey a simple lesson:

(don't believe in "Spare the rod and spoil the child") does not equal (No discipline at school or home)

I'd add more, but I'm trying to avoid being too snarky.

I get what you're saying. I'm trying to raise my girls to respect adults, especially her parents and teachers, and treat others with respect. Sure, I discipline them if I have to. Send them to their bedroom, take away a privilege, whatever works. Then explain to them why. I have had to spank them a few times when they were not old enough to understand reason.

Now... I grew up in the 70's. I got either the belt, or a wooden home-made paddle if I did something wrong. Sometimes I got my hair pulled, or slapped in the face, even yelled at. I've had my ass paddled so damn hard the skin split open a couple times. I'm quite certain if my dad did that today, he'd be in jail. One day I'd had enough and was about as big as he was, and fought back. He never used physical punishment from that point on, instead used reasoning with me to get me to understand his points.

I can't stand parents who smoke in the car with kids in the back seat, or don't discipline them when they run amok in public, have screaming tantrums, etc. They're not doing their fucking jobs right.

A couple times both of my girls had screaming tantrums in public in their own times. I simply picked them up with their arms and legs flailing, carried them straight to the vehicle, locked them up in their car seat with the 5 strap harness, and shut the door, then stood outside just barely out of their sight so they knew where I was, and waited a few minutes. Then opened the door and they were as calm as can be with some sniffles. Had to explain why, and then everything was fine.

My two girls are completely different, so what worked with the first girl rarely did with the second. It's been a learning and eye-opening experience. I wouldn't trade it for anything else.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[LuckyMcSwervy 0]

I was raised with a very healthy dose of respect for adults, teachers, priests/nuns, authority figures, others, property, etc. I wasn't spanked but my mom did slap me once when I was a teenager. My brothers were spanked when all else failed. I found it funny.

Billy, the smoking with kids in the car thing is a huge pet peeve. I was in Old Navy the other day and this little girl (about 3-4 years old) smelled of cigarette smoke SO BAD I wanted to puke. Then when the grandmother walked over the cig smoke stench coming off her almost made me pass out. Horrible. They came out and got in the car parked next to me with boxes and boxes of empty cigarettes strewn about the dashboard. Classy. Hoarders on wheels.

Always be kinder than you feel.

[BillyVance 34]

I FUCKING HATE that shit. I suffered with my mom's smoking for years, in the car and at home. Then one day I said fuck it, and walked off but not before leaving a goodbye note. I had walked about 20 miles away when a police officer pulled up next to me and asked my name, then took me in.

Some counseling later, she quit smoking in the car, got an air filter right next to her spot on the couch. But it wasn't until about the time I got married that her doctor told her to quit because she was going to die. She'd been coughing viciously. So she quit cold turkey.

Now probably because of that past, I have a recurring bronchitis problem.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban