England bans the DC-3

[Boogers 0]

England bans the DC-3:

"How health and safety rules have grounded the Dakota, the war workhorse"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-518349/How-health-safety-rules-grounded-Dakota-war-workhorse.html

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Is that actually a "grounding/ban" or simply a disqualification for commercial passenger service? Hard to tell just looking at the article, but it seems to me the decision came from the commercial operator and not "the government."

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[airtwardo 7]

Yup ~ As we discussed, certain safety considerations were placed on commercial AC back in 2008 that just aren't cost effective to implement.

The LOGIC of it all, is of course an entirely different matter!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

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I assumed "Boogers" wasn't privy to our conversation though.

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[airtwardo 7]

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I assumed "Boogers" wasn't privy to our conversation though.

I dunno...he gets around!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[shropshire 0]

Getting good solid information from the Daily Mail is like getting from Fox news

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[kallend 2,027]

shropshire

Getting good solid information from the Daily Mail is like getting from Fox news

At least it's not UFO sightings.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[tkhayes 348]

there is always a valid case for retiring lots of technology as better technology comes along. There is a reason that we do not drive Edsels anymore, they were bad cars.

At some point we will have to retire every airplane out there. restoring them as antiques? Fine. Flying them for fun? Fine. But expecting them to fly into a never-ending future as a viable commercial or even operational entity is not realistic.

I get a kick out of people that decide to build old planes like this one, then they fly it and die, and everyone wonders why? Because it was not a very good airplane....that's why.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/07/30/ohio.wright.replica.crash/

[lawrocket 3]

Comparing the DC-3 to an Edsel? This isn't banning a plane because it is bad. Ir's the equivalent of banning passenger cars that don't have electronic fuel injection engines. No, it doesn't ban the car itself. Or banning all vehicles that don't have airbags or built in GPS.

Seriously? An emergency slide on a DC-3? Cessna 182s carry passengers, too. How about requiring emergency chutes on those? "But lawrocket," you might say. "You can step right off of a 182.". And I'd say, "Just like a DC-3, only without the overhead obstacle."

This is where safety rules get ridiculous.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[tkhayes 348]

I used the Edsel as a simple but singular example. There are hundreds if not thousands of other examples that could also be used.

Try not to overreact to one valid example as if it was the only one that existed....it makes you look piteous.

yes 'seriously'. we establish all kinds of changes to products that may increase their costs to ensure safety. saying that an 80 year old airplane might need some upgrades to continue offering specific kinds of service is not, in fact, unreasonable. As I said, SOMEDAY they will all be retired or at the very least the few remaining will be flown for novelty only.

And someday as well for the C-182. someday. not today, probably not tomorrow, but someday yes. they will all be retired. Do they still deliver mail by horse & buggy in the USA?

[kallend 2,027]

lawrocket

Comparing the DC-3 to an Edsel? This isn't banning a plane because it is bad.

It was a great plane in its time. I've done a bunch of jumps from one.

No way it could ever get certified under current regulations and standards for commercial passenger service. Measured by 2014 standards it IS inferior.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Andy9o8 2]

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Ir's the equivalent of banning passenger cars that don't have electronic fuel injection engines.

Poor analogy. It's more like the equivalent of requiring a building owner to retrofit his older building with fire escapes - which is exactly what eventually occurred pretty much everywhere in the industrialized world circa the first half of the 20th Century once fire escape requirements were amended-into building & fire codes.