"Can look edgy in appearance but not sloppy."

[peek 21]

Explain something to an old guy, would you? I saw a classified ad that included this: "Can look edgy in appearance but not sloppy."

Anybody want to post me some pictures of what "edgy" looks like, because I am really in the dark here.

(I seem to recall some ad agency posting an ad here years ago, asking specifically for someone with an edgy appearance, and no one had an examples then.)

[Southern_Man 0]

Guessing tattoos, piercings, gauges, spiked or dyed hairstyle.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

[quade 4]

I'd read that as, "classy tattoos and piercing acceptable, you can't look homeless."

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Southern_Man 0]

You know, like a freeflyer...

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

[FlyingRhenquest 1]

I'm guessing formal business attire, a blue spiky mohawk and a nose piercing.

I'm trying to teach myself how to set things on fire with my mind. Hey... is it hot in here?

[LuckyMcSwervy 0]

quade

I'd read that as, "classy tattoos and piercing acceptable, you can't look homeless."

^This.

Smelling good is always a plus.

Always be kinder than you feel.

[Amazon 7]

peek

Explain something to an old guy, would you? I saw a classified ad that included this: "Can look edgy in appearance but not sloppy."

Anybody want to post me some pictures of what "edgy" looks like, because I am really in the dark here.

(I seem to recall some ad agency posting an ad here years ago, asking specifically for someone with an edgy appearance, and no one had an examples then.)

I work near a Google facility with lots of Google Geeks...

Makes for great people watching

[BIGUN 1,406]

quade

I'd read that as, "classy tattoos and piercing acceptable, you can't look homeless."

Personally, I like seeing this migration towards less corporate formalities. Judging people based on capabilities and performance. Managing energy and objectives; rather than time and proximity.

But, I also wonder how long before some corporation gets challenged on classy tattoos and piercings versus military/biker tats and big nose rings with croix pattee's.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[quade 4]

"Challenged"? Since when is being tattooed and pierced a protected class?

This is well outside what the law should give a crap about. It seems well inside the employer's right to not scare the crap out of his customers.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[DSE 5]

quade

"Challenged"? Since when is being tattooed and pierced a protected class?

This is well outside what the law should give a crap about. It seems well inside the employer's right to not scare the crap out of his customers.

Many employers will hire people with a few tattoos but will tell them to cover it up, but in the longer run don"t expect many promotions. Some people will try to fight it by saying it goes against freedom of speech but one must remember that they are representing the company that employs them.
Various branches in the military have restrictions on tattoo placements/visibility.

Edgy

Edgy 2

Edgy 3

If you're trying for "edgy" Gary, you'll likely wanna do something with the hair, unless you wear a set of well-worn but cool leathers and ride in on a well worn, well loved Harley.
Watch Sons of Anarchy; Jax is "edgy" but still dresses like a biker.

[monkycndo 0]

DSE

***"Challenged"? Since when is being tattooed and pierced a protected class?

This is well outside what the law should give a crap about. It seems well inside the employer's right to not scare the crap out of his customers.

Many employers will hire people with a few tattoos but will tell them to cover it up, but in the longer run don"t expect many promotions. Some people will try to fight it by saying it goes against freedom of speech but one must remember that they are representing the company that employs them.
Various branches in the military have restrictions on tattoo placements/visibility.

Edgy

Edgy 2

Edgy 3

If you're trying for "edgy" Gary, you'll likely wanna do something with the hair, unless you wear a set of well-worn but cool leathers and ride in on a well worn, well loved Harley.
Watch Sons of Anarchy; Jax is "edgy" but still dresses like a biker.

FIFY

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You know you want to spank it
Jump an Infinity

[BIGUN 1,406]

quade

"Challenged"? Since when is being tattooed and pierced a protected class?

This is well outside what the law should give a crap about. It seems well inside the employer's right to not scare the crap out of his customers.

It would seem.

"But relaxed or vague company dress codes can lead to misunderstanding and even lawsuits. For example, a former U.S. Marine recently filed suit against Union Pacific Railroad after he was fired for his military-related upper-arm tattoo that was termed obscene and threatening. The veteran is currently seeking lost wages and punitive damages for discrimination, retaliation and wrongful firing in federal court."


http://www.entrepreneur.com/blog/224233#ixzz2stfiOo1v

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[Meso 38]

I'm thankful I work behind a computer and in an industry that is more liberal on things, as people are still quite backwards about the whole tattoo issue. Personally I think it's annoying that one has to worry about job opportunities when he or she wants to look a certain way.

I understand the reasons behind why a company may do it, but in many cases they do it solely because of how they feel about the issue, which is bs in my mind.

I can't think of anything worse than down the line having to say to myself "I couldn't get tattoos on my own body, despite how I wanted them... Because I had to worry about getting a job". Would definitely not feel like I lived my own life then, and rather was just living something that everyone was forcing me to.

It is becoming easier to get work these days with tattoos though, and most can be covered up with clothing - unless you're the type to get knuckles and neck. Personally, I keep them all above the wrist and below the neck.

[airtwardo 7]

I have nothing against tats but personally never saw the allure.

I'm way too fickle, heck I change the art at home every couple of months...seeing that same thing on ME everyday would be boring.

As far as discrimination in the workplace...I doubt it will even be an issue in a few more years.

The 'old school' thoughts regarding tattoos as social class signifiers isn't valid in any way these days because of the mass popularity.

Heck it's nearly a role reversal...NO tats means you're broke & a nerdly wallflower!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[mjosparky 4]

Meso

I'm thankful I work behind a computer and in an industry that is more liberal on things, as people are still quite backwards about the whole tattoo issue. Personally I think it's annoying that one has to worry about job opportunities when he or she wants to look a certain way.

I understand the reasons behind why a company may do it, but in many cases they do it solely because of how they feel about the issue, which is bs in my mind.

I can't think of anything worse than down the line having to say to myself "I couldn't get tattoos on my own body, despite how I wanted them... Because I had to worry about getting a job". Would definitely not feel like I lived my own life then, and rather was just living something that everyone was forcing me to.

It is becoming easier to get work these days with tattoos though, and most can be covered up with clothing - unless you're the type to get knuckles and neck. Personally, I keep them all above the wrist and below the neck.

Everyone has choices they can make thought out their life. But you have to willing to live by the choices you make. Other people should not have to live by the same choices. Believe it or not, a nose ring and ear plugs are not considered stylish in all segments of society.

Sparky

My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

[jclalor 12]

peek

Explain something to an old guy, would you? I saw a classified ad that included this: "Can look edgy in appearance but not sloppy."

Anybody want to post me some pictures of what "edgy" looks like, because I am really in the dark here.

(I seem to recall some ad agency posting an ad here years ago, asking specifically for someone with an edgy appearance, and no one had an examples then.)

Perhaps "edgy" is just kind of a legal way to say younger.

[Meso 38]

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Everyone has choices they can make thought out their life. But you have to willing to live by the choices you make. Other people should not have to live by the same choices. Believe it or not, a nose ring and ear plugs are not considered stylish in all segments of society.

That is very true to a degree and I don't deny it. And one certainly has to live with the choices one makes. But some things that become a factor in the work place, in many cases shouldn't.

I can understand if you're representing a brand that for example is supposed to represent a certain type of person. But outside of where the look conflicts with the business image, and where it is just down to closed minded owners - is where it bothers me.

[peek 21]

DSE

If you're trying for "edgy" Gary, ...

[Laughing my ass off...] No, I'm not needing to be edgy, and would probably be the last thing that I should ever try to be, even if I needed to. (I'm not looking for a job either. I'm self employed and already have the coolest boss there is.)

Your example pictures are good, however, all the people in those pictures actually look quite clean-cut to me. But to me, a person would have to look pretty rough for me to even blink an eye.

[davjohns 1]

There was a time in sales when it was normal to light up or drink up during a sales call. It changed over time. Today, you would never do either for fear of losing the sale to someone who disapproved. Likewise, corporate sales executives are highly unlikely to present tats, piercings, unusual hair styles, etc. You can claim all kinds of rights, but if they don't want to buy from you, you will not be a sales executive long.

You can complain all you want, but it's a normal human reaction. People who have lots of tats, piercings, wild hair, etc. are likely to hang out with similar minded people and villify people without those features.

I would expect the advertiser is seeking someone with a couple of tats, or racing stripes in the eyebrow, or interesting hair, or some kind of mark that would gain access into a subculture; but not someone who is clearly consumed by the subculture. Someone who can still put on a suit and look natural in it.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[BIGUN 1,406]

Well said.

I have several military related tattoos. After the Army, I worked in IT for a telecom for seven years. Interviewed in a suit and went to work for the first few days in a long shirt. I was glad I did cause I found out the company frowned on tats, so I always wore the long sleeved shirt. Worked my way up to the Director level, but always concerned about living like I had a secret.

Then, I went into disaster response and went from VP to COO. That world was filled with former military and tats were now symbolic of perseverance and drive. During Hurricane Gustav, I had to interact with the Governor's Cabinet (Secretary). When I walked into the emergency operations center and met one of the Secretaries for the first time. She later told me,"I knew things were going to be alright when you walked in and I knew we had a military man n the job."

These days, I'm riding the Harley and working for a college. Been looking at these tats for 30 years and they're a bit outdated and some of the ink I see is no less than artistic. Riding with some younger military types. One former Marine has a beautiful coi fish from elbow wrppaed to his shoulder and the colors are astounding. Thinking its time to go get some coverups and one sleeve of bright colors.

I may be older, but have always leaned towards, "Edgy." "It's a grunge thing."

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[jimjumper 25]

I'd say this is very edgy!

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Meso

I'm thankful I work behind a computer and in an industry that is more liberal on things, as people are still quite backwards about the whole tattoo issue. Personally I think it's annoying that one has to worry about job opportunities when he or she wants to look a certain way.

I understand the reasons behind why a company may do it, but in many cases they do it solely because of how they feel about the issue, which is bs in my mind.

I can't think of anything worse than down the line having to say to myself "I couldn't get tattoos on my own body, despite how I wanted them... Because I had to worry about getting a job". Would definitely not feel like I lived my own life then, and rather was just living something that everyone was forcing me to.

It is becoming easier to get work these days with tattoos though, and most can be covered up with clothing - unless you're the type to get knuckles and neck. Personally, I keep them all above the wrist and below the neck.

Meh, it all depends....hard to get a job at BET with White Power tattooed on your arms.

I allowed visible tatoos on my front line staff until somebody showed up with a nude woman with big tits tatooed on his forearm. In stead of having to deal with judging which tattoo was allowed and which one wasn't, we went back to no visible tattoos.

[airtwardo 7]

Meso

Quote

Everyone has choices they can make thought out their life. But you have to willing to live by the choices you make. Other people should not have to live by the same choices. Believe it or not, a nose ring and ear plugs are not considered stylish in all segments of society.

That is very true to a degree and I don't deny it. And one certainly has to live with the choices one makes. But some things that become a factor in the work place, in many cases shouldn't.

I can understand if you're representing a brand that for example is supposed to represent a certain type of person. But outside of where the look conflicts with the business image, and where it is just down to closed minded owners - is where it bothers me.

I remember going through a 'dress for success' type seminar 30+ years ago my last semester in college.

A lot of guys were shocked to learn IBM wouldn't even interview you if you had facial hair...they were harumphing quite a bit - 'unfair' 'stereotyping' 'no freedom' etc.

Guy running the seminar laid it out - your choice to 'freely' work somewhere else...you choose your priorities then head down the paths still open.


I was interviewing with the L.A. County Sheriffs Dept. in the early 80's, they were doing a major manpower buildup prior to the Olympics.

Early on in the process there were about 30 of us 'candidates' who had passed the written, waiting for the prelim interview.

A Dep in uniform casually walked down the line giving us encouragement, pointers on conduct during the interview & advise on personal appearance. Things like no hats, no visible tats, no hair touching the collar, mustaches trimmed even with the corner of the mouth...

When he got to me...with ten days of facial hair showing - I got a stern WTF are YOU thinking!

I explained it was a temporary thing...I had recently received fairly serious facial burns from skydiving with pyrotechnics - shaving the blisters would cause worse scarring.

Guy walks away returning 3 minutes later with a new Bic razor & a little hotel bar of soap... "You have a choice to make!"

Remembering that college seminar & choices with paths...

I shaved in the restroom...

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[Andy9o8 2]

Hey, don't leave us hangin'.

[ryoder 1,590]

airtwardo

A lot of guys were shocked to learn IBM wouldn't even interview you if you had facial hair...

That says a lot about the company right there:
They don't want creative people, nor people who think for themselves;
They are looking for mindless drones.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.