treeman 0 #1 November 10, 2004 how many ft does it take for full inflation of this canopy? a guesstiment would be appreciated thanx i weigh in @ 170lb with rig on Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treeman 0 #2 November 10, 2004 it feels like 2 or 3 seconds how many feet would that be? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #3 November 10, 2004 Regardless of the answers you get just remember that sometimes you can get an insta-canopy (ouch! ) and sometimes a looooong 1000+ft snively opening. I was totally slammed by a Navigator 280 once and have had seemingly ridiculously long snivels on my Safire as well as Spectres.NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #4 November 10, 2004 Quoteit feels like 2 or 3 seconds how many feet would that be? At terminal you do 1000ft every 5.5 seconds or so... so less than 750ft would be within the realm of possibility.NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Levin 0 #5 November 10, 2004 i'd say between 100' - 1000'. I think it mostly depends on the pack job. You can slow the opening down with a smaller pilot chute or speed it up with a smaller slider or by pulling headdown. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treeman 0 #6 November 10, 2004 will that canopy survive a instant opening or would it tear? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #7 November 10, 2004 falcon 265's can open very nicely. It's designed to also be a reserve so measures must be taking to slow it down. If your profile is correct (4 jumps at time of writing), it would indicate you're jumping a student rig. Am I on track here? Being that most newer designed canopies open quite a bit softer than the Falcon, most packers don't take measures to slow it down. If it is opening really hard, let someone know, and possibly it will be packed to open a little more comfortable. Keep in mind, some instructors are of the opinion that student canopies should open fast. That's true within reason, but it shouldn't hurt the person. Hope that helps.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #8 November 10, 2004 Yes, the canopy survived and so did I... with only a few bruises... I still went up and did like 4 more jumps that day.NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treeman 0 #9 November 10, 2004 when david nye packed it it snivelled for a second and it was sweet. the last jump i made on it felt like i hit a tree at 30 mph and got a black eye from altimeter. didnt maintain good arch and was kinda well lets just put it this way kinda gave up on the dive that wont happen again thanks again yes it is a student rig but i reallyyyyyyyyyy like it cant wait to jump again this wknd Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #10 November 10, 2004 Then have David Nye pack again Not maintaining a good arch doesn't cause hard openings. If you are, oh lets say.. unstable, head low, turning, upside down.. and the canopy opens, it's best if it doesn't open quickly. If it does open quickly, pull stable Anyway, I've packed falcons at least 1000 times, they are inherently fast opening canopies but can be tamed fairly easy. Good luck on the rest of your student training!My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treeman 0 #11 November 10, 2004 thank for the info Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakflyer9999 1 #12 November 10, 2004 QuoteAnyway, I've packed falcons at least 1000 times, they are inherently fast opening canopies but can be tamed fairly easy. Good luck on the rest of your student training! What are your recommendations for slowing down a Falcon? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #13 November 10, 2004 This is like asking how long it takes to stop a pickup truck, without knowing the speed, the road conditions, the tire conditions, the brake conditions, the reaction time of the drive, or the real weight of the truck. Soon enough for 2000' deployment (most of the time), not soon enough for a 300' deployment (most of the time) There are no hard and fast answers for mains. Reserves have to meet specific limits on opening speed when packed according to the manufacturers instructions. But even these speeds are measured on realatively fresh pack jobs and in limited combinations of canopy and rig with only a few tests requiring environmental challenges. No tested are required past a couple of days. But I'll guess anyway. 379 feet. I'm I right? Sorry for the sarcasim but it's that kind of day. I know you want an answer but the range can be very wide and influened by all the things discussed above. Boy i'm in a bitchy mood.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 41 #14 November 10, 2004 If you're flat packing... Roll the nose tighly up to the A lines, just so there's a bit of a twist in the A lines."Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #15 November 10, 2004 QuoteIf you're flat packing... Roll the nose tighly up to the A lines, just so there's a bit of a twist in the A lines. More specifically. Roll 4 cells toward the middle closing up the nose. Roll it until half the center cell is covered. The A lines will twist up. Now take the other 4 outer cells and do the same. It's hard to describe but roll 4 and 4 to the middle. Not the entire nose.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlindBrick 0 #17 November 11, 2004 QuoteIt's hard to describe but roll 4 and 4 to the middle. Not the entire nose. That's weird. I used to get a lot of business from experienced Falcon owners because they, and other packers, did this and they'd get slammed. I'd propack and roll the entire nose until I had a decent amount of twist in the "A" lines. I always got complements on the openings. It's worked for fine for me for hundreds of packs on Falcons, Laser 9's, Navigators, Mantas and other large canopies. -Blind"If you end up in an alligator's jaws, naked, you probably did something to deserve it." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicknitro71 0 #18 November 11, 2004 Quote It's designed to also be a reserve I did not know that. It's a nice cell! Does it have a TSO certification? ThanksMemento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #19 November 11, 2004 It sure does.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #20 November 15, 2004 I've got an old Falcon for a backup rig. I don't jump it much, but it can slam you at times. When flat packing it I always rolled the nose a lot. I've been psycho-packing it lately for soft openings. Psycho-packing may not be recommended for F-111 canopies, but it seems to work fine.....Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
