quade 4 #1 October 2, 2013 QuoteROSS ULBRICHT, WHO ALLEGEDLY RAN THE WORLD'S LARGEST ONLINE DRUG MARKET, ARRESTED BY THE FBI Since 2011, the Silk Road has been the most popular place to buy drugs online. Despite being very well-known, it operated with impunity up until last night, when the FBI arrested 29-year-old Ross William Ulbricht, who they say ran it. Krebs Security posted the complaint against Ulbricht, which alleges that the site's generated around 1.2 billion dollars in sales in its lifetime. The FBI also alleges that Ulbricht tried to arrange the murder of a user named FriendlyChemist who wanted $500,000 in exchange for not revealing the identities of Silk Road users. Source/full story: http://www.onthemedia.org/story/ross-ulbricht-who-allegedly-ran-worlds-largest-online-drug-market-arrested-fbi/ And what ultimately tripped him up? His use of Gmail and Google+. See page 26. http://www1.icsi.berkeley.edu/~nweaver/UlbrichtCriminalComplaint.pdf Fascinating.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #2 October 2, 2013 I started a thread about this in SC, but no one seems interested. "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #3 October 2, 2013 Few people have a pocket full of bit coins. Even fewer are looking to purchase these products with them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #4 October 2, 2013 normissFew people have a pocket full of bit coins. Even fewer are looking to purchase these products with them. It is interesting to see the FBI plain out state that it's "practically impossible" to find the true source of communications on TOR."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #5 October 2, 2013 theonlyskiIt is interesting to see the FBI plain out state that it's "practically impossible" to find the true source of communications on TOR. Possible subterfuge so as to not reveal "sources and methods." I would never rely on the security of TOR to keep me from being arrested. That just doesn't seem like a great idea.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #6 October 2, 2013 quade***It is interesting to see the FBI plain out state that it's "practically impossible" to find the true source of communications on TOR. Possible subterfuge so as to not reveal "sources and methods." I would never rely on the security of TOR to keep me from being arrested. That just doesn't seem like a great idea. In a computer security class I was sent to, they did recommend using TOR for certain things, however using it isn't completely untraceable. I wouldn't use it for anything that I could get arrested for either."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #7 October 2, 2013 Exactly what I thought too. I do know that EVERY single piece of gear on the internets has a CALEA connection in them. Layer 2 on up for that matter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #8 October 2, 2013 ryoder I started a thread about this in SC, but no one seems interested. Beacause it can't be turned into an 'us' and 'them' political discussion... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #9 October 2, 2013 quade Possible subterfuge so as to not reveal "sources and methods." I would never rely on the security of TOR to keep me from being arrested. That just doesn't seem like a great idea. I've seen discussion on NANOG about TOR nodes with really fat, expensive links. Gee, now who would have the money to spend on links like that, just to let strangers use them anonymously?"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #10 October 2, 2013 Quote I do know that EVERY single piece of gear on the internets has a CALEA connection in them Nope. Not true. I'm not saying why I know that's not true... but it really isn't true Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #11 October 2, 2013 theonlyski ******It is interesting to see the FBI plain out state that it's "practically impossible" to find the true source of communications on TOR. Possible subterfuge so as to not reveal "sources and methods." I would never rely on the security of TOR to keep me from being arrested. That just doesn't seem like a great idea. In a computer security class I was sent to, they did recommend using TOR for certain things, however using it isn't completely untraceable. I wouldn't use it for anything that I could get arrested for either. What would you use then?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #12 October 2, 2013 Quote What would you use then? Sneakernet Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #13 October 2, 2013 turtlespeed *********It is interesting to see the FBI plain out state that it's "practically impossible" to find the true source of communications on TOR. Possible subterfuge so as to not reveal "sources and methods." I would never rely on the security of TOR to keep me from being arrested. That just doesn't seem like a great idea. In a computer security class I was sent to, they did recommend using TOR for certain things, however using it isn't completely untraceable. I wouldn't use it for anything that I could get arrested for either. What would you use then?The only secure methods I can see today are: a) One time pads. b) Spread spectrum RF, i.e. bypass the Internet entirely."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #14 October 2, 2013 ryoder ************It is interesting to see the FBI plain out state that it's "practically impossible" to find the true source of communications on TOR. Possible subterfuge so as to not reveal "sources and methods." I would never rely on the security of TOR to keep me from being arrested. That just doesn't seem like a great idea. In a computer security class I was sent to, they did recommend using TOR for certain things, however using it isn't completely untraceable. I wouldn't use it for anything that I could get arrested for either. What would you use then?The only secure methods I can see today are: a) One time pads. b) Spread spectrum RF, i.e. bypass the Internet entirely. LPI/LPD ETA: Oh wait, that doesn't exist in the civilian world."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #15 October 2, 2013 turtlespeed What would you use then? You have to assume every method of encryption is compromised. When you move into illegal activity and especially high volumes of it on the internet, ultimately nothing is going to work. Secure communication between a small group of individuals is possible through obscurity, but as the group size and activity increases it will just naturally draw attention to itself which will be its ultimate downfall. For instance, if I wanted to communicate with a single person, I might post a photo of a kitten with embedded steganography to my drop box and if only a single other person looked at it, I can't in my wildest imagination believe it would come under any scrutiny. It would just get lost in the firehose of daily data. Do that same thing on TOR and try to disguise your illegal drug business as pictures of kittens with thousands of transactions happening every day? That's going to get noticed. What generally breaks secrecy in communications isn't some flaw in the encryption, but the volume of it. That's why the NSA wants to gobble up EVERYTHING.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #16 October 2, 2013 theonlyski LPI/LPD ETA: Oh wait, that doesn't exist in the civilian world. I haven't encountered those acronyms since I left the aerospace/defense contractor."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #17 October 2, 2013 quade For instance, if I wanted to communicate with a single person, I might post a photo of a kitten with embedded steganography to my drop box and if only a single other person looked at it, I can't in my wildest imagination believe it would come under any scrutiny. It would just get lost in the firehose of daily data. Do that same thing on TOR and try to disguise your illegal drug business as pictures of kittens with thousands of transactions happening every day? That's going to get noticed. Holy shit!That is what all the cat videos are about on YouTube!"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #18 October 2, 2013 NOT the ones on Fuckedupbook though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #19 October 2, 2013 ryoder *** For instance, if I wanted to communicate with a single person, I might post a photo of a kitten with embedded steganography to my drop box and if only a single other person looked at it, I can't in my wildest imagination believe it would come under any scrutiny. It would just get lost in the firehose of daily data. Do that same thing on TOR and try to disguise your illegal drug business as pictures of kittens with thousands of transactions happening every day? That's going to get noticed. Holy shit!That is what all cat videos are about on YouTube!Don't laugh. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Avatar_for_terrorist.pngquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #20 October 2, 2013 Dang. Anyone know where I can score some krokodil? "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #21 October 3, 2013 1969912Dang. Anyone know where I can score some krokodil? Florida. Fuckers all over the place."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyingRhenquest 1 #22 October 3, 2013 turtlespeed *********It is interesting to see the FBI plain out state that it's "practically impossible" to find the true source of communications on TOR. Possible subterfuge so as to not reveal "sources and methods." I would never rely on the security of TOR to keep me from being arrested. That just doesn't seem like a great idea. In a computer security class I was sent to, they did recommend using TOR for certain things, however using it isn't completely untraceable. I wouldn't use it for anything that I could get arrested for either. What would you use then?I would post an awful lot of messages on internet forums. A small number of these messages would contain coded instructions. Or perhaps they wouldn't.I'm trying to teach myself how to set things on fire with my mind. Hey... is it hot in here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #23 October 3, 2013 OMG! You're one of the voices aren't you??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LuckyMcSwervy 0 #24 October 3, 2013 ryoder *** For instance, if I wanted to communicate with a single person, I might post a photo of a kitten with embedded steganography to my drop box and if only a single other person looked at it, I can't in my wildest imagination believe it would come under any scrutiny. It would just get lost in the firehose of daily data. Do that same thing on TOR and try to disguise your illegal drug business as pictures of kittens with thousands of transactions happening every day? That's going to get noticed. Holy shit!That is what all the cat videos are about on YouTube!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFQZh7HopqE Today was the first time I'd ever heard of Silk Road. Wow.Always be kinder than you feel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyingRhenquest 1 #25 October 3, 2013 LuckyMcSwervy Today was the first time I'd ever heard of Silk Road. Wow. Never thought to Google "How to buy weed on teh internetz?!" huh?I'm trying to teach myself how to set things on fire with my mind. Hey... is it hot in here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
