bbarnhouse 0 #26 March 24, 2002 Probably correct , but if they have been really tugging on that it line..it can stretch. Either way it should be examined.CheersIt only takes a little pixie dust...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #27 March 24, 2002 Barn- The kill line in most kill-line PC's is made of Spectra. Spectra has a fairly low melting point and shrinks when heated from the friction between the bridle and the kill line as the bridle slides up the kill-line after the canopy come out of the bag. On canopys, the slider gromments are the source of the friction.If the window no longer shows the colored section of kill-line, your kill line has shrunk and may need to be lengthened or replaced."Because the change is so gradual it often goes unnoticed until you begin to experience hesitations on deployment. To check for correct kill line length, cock the pilot chute and watch the kill line. Does it become taunt before the two white ribbons that run from the apex (the top of the pilot chute) to the bridle? If it does, then the kill line is too short, not allowing the pilot chute to completely inflate. When cocked, the two white ribbons should be taunt and there should be some slack on the kill line. Also, if the handle of the pilot chute being pulled through the small opening at the base of the pilot chute on deployment, the kill line is too short."Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #28 March 25, 2002 Thanks hook and I only can go by what the riggers tell me at my home DZ cause they know more than I do.CheersIt only takes a little pixie dust...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christopherm 0 #29 March 25, 2002 "I cock the pc before I even start to pack it.. Then once again when it is packed sitting in the container before I close it just to make sure."Maybe not the best thing to do, many times the pilot chute can work itself uncocked while you spend all that time packing it. I have gotten in the habit of cocking after i throw it down and checking it again before I put it in the container. Not necesarily a better way, but something to think about.-So, how hard is the ground?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #30 March 25, 2002 WHAT?????????????? Isn't that what I just said??????????????????????????????????? Semper Fi ..... http:// www.aahit.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloud9 0 #31 March 25, 2002 Well you had two mals in a row and handled both. You shouldn't have any more fears about it, now you know you can do it. As for paying for two repacks. I can see paying for yours. But hey who ever packed the second rig and didn't cock the pilot chute should pay for the reserve repack. That was a serious mistake that could have turned real bad real fast. The least they could do is pay for the repack. Just my 2 cents worth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spy38W 0 #32 March 25, 2002 Quote It's just a couple of cutaways! That is why you have a reserve! As for packing error PM me the news. Man, whenever we discussed cutaways a short time ago I had no idea that you would be needing to do it so often! If it is three in a row I will pay for your repack! Thanks man, I was just bummed out last night. Jumped today (on student gear) and everything worked, I kind of forgot that I was under a 250 as opposed to my 150, HUGE difference in wind penetration Whew, I broke the cycle.--~Captain CutawayI think I'm an inch shorter from that opening Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spy38W 0 #33 March 25, 2002 Quote But hey who ever packed the second rig and didn't cock the pilot chute should pay for the reserve repack. That was a serious mistake that could have turned real bad real fast. I think the person that packed it should pay for the repack too, but that's my personal opinion and I'm too new to skydiving to know for sure. As a friend put it to me "Imagine if a student had gotten that rig..." --~Captain CutawayI think I'm an inch shorter from that opening Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChromeBoy 0 #34 March 25, 2002 Anytime a dz packer makes a mistake and doesn't do something like cock the pilot chute you should not have to pay for the repack in my mind. I know just about every dz I have been to has the same philosphy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #35 March 25, 2002 Packers should not have to pay for reserve repacks unless its under really weird situations like they did not close the flaps in the right order and cause a PC in tow. Using a packer means you assume the risk that there could be something wrong with the pack job and because you paid for it means you accept the rick and liability. If packers have to pay the repack cost for any reserve ride that they could cause... then a lot of packers would be poorer then they are... I can see it now.. any spinny cutaway could be blamed on a packer, same with a premature opening or horseshoe. Everone needs to take responcibility for some of the liability of jumping a rig you did not pack your self..... JMHOI wish you would step back from that ledge my friend... ~3EB Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChromeBoy 0 #36 March 25, 2002 What if the packer also owns the dz Phree? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spy38W 0 #37 March 25, 2002 Quote 2 cutaways in a row!! Damn!! Beer!! More beer!!I think it's a dz.com record Quote Glad your still here Thanks, I'm glad to still be here --~Captain CutawayI think I'm an inch shorter from that opening Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #38 March 25, 2002 Showoff!!I only have one cutaway and it was intentional on my 200th.. Semper Fi ..... http:// www.aahit.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #39 March 25, 2002 Then they are not exempt... I've known one DZO to have a few reserve rides and he never blames the packer or makes them pay for the reserve repack....I wish you would step back from that ledge my friend... ~3EB Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #40 March 25, 2002 Quote Anytime a dz packer makes a mistake and doesn't do something like cock the pilot chute you should not have to pay for the repack in my mind. I know just about every dz I have been to has the same philosphy. Packing Kathy in Z-Hills and WFFC offers this guarantee. She states the guarantee outfront, and charges an extra buck because of it. Kathy is awsome. A friend of mine had a maseusse show up at his tent at WFFC because Kathy packed him a hard opening.Ask you packer BEFORE you jump it if they guarantee their pack jobs. Most don't.Don't ask for a reserve repack unless they offer that guarantee._AmICQ: 5578907MSN Messenger: andrewdmetcalfe at hotmail dot com AIM: andrewdmetcalfeYahoo IM: ametcalf_1999 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DENGOPHER 0 #41 March 25, 2002 two words for you dude... gear check!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no mater who packs your gear double check it!!!! it is your life you may be saving... i am very adamant about double checking my gear... i do most all my own packing but some times pay some one to pack it... i never never ever put my rig on with out checking it out thoroughly and double checking it after i put it on...don't take offense to any advice given to you on this forum.. take all the information and make the best use of it that you can... be safe and have fun!!!! (live long) my .02just jump!!!!gopher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChromeBoy 0 #42 March 25, 2002 I think you misunderstood the question PhreeZone. Nevermind. PM me if you want to discuss. At least you are safe and jumping again Pete! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #43 March 25, 2002 When I was packing for money, I guaranteed my pack jobs. Never had to pay up.pull and flare,lisa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisD 0 #44 August 19, 2013 christopherm "I cock the pc before I even start to pack it.. Then once again when it is packed sitting in the container before I close it just to make sure." Maybe not the best thing to do, many times the pilot chute can work itself uncocked while you spend all that time packing it. I have gotten in the habit of cocking after i throw it down and checking it again before I put it in the container. Not necesarily a better way, but something to think about. -So, how hard is the ground?! Notes from the Know it all: THIS This is actually a common problem that frequently gets overlooked. Your getting the air out of your canopy, on the ground, laying on everything and you notice the bridal and PC under everything, so you pull on the bridal to geet it out of the way.... this de cocks the PC. You forget to check, cause you already cocked the PC, in your head you have already checked everything so you forget to check the window...Then you close everything up... Watch for this and you will see hundreds of people do this everyday....C yes the spectra line shrinks, but try and remember the nylon bridal line also stretches as well...But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
