Tonto 1 #1 January 26, 2005 Hi There, I've had a Mirage G4 for a year now, and I'm really happy with it. Having said that, our riggers here don't seem to be able to pack it without it looking a bit crinkly.. The container is an MT, canopies are a PD 126R and a Safire 119. Any suggestions? tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefalle 0 #2 January 26, 2005 Dunno Tonto, could be the size of your reserve or something, maybe its tight, My G3 doesn't look like that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #3 January 26, 2005 I have an MT-1/2 (same reserve size, slightly smaller reserve tray) and I found I had wrinkling problems when I lost control of the neatness of the freebag bridal stows. A friend who was assisting me with the latest pack job sugested cratering the freebag real well to recess the P/C and flaps slightly helps as well...... good luck!---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #4 January 26, 2005 Quote Dunno Tonto, could be the size of your reserve or something, maybe its tight, The MT is the proper size container for the PD126R---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #5 January 26, 2005 Thanks for the feedback. Seems all Mirages packed out here look that way. I thought it was normal until I looked at them in the US. Obviously our riggers here have a thing or two to learn. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueEyedMonster 0 #6 January 26, 2005 I'm not a rigger, but I sew. I see that the binding tape is flat on the edges, but the fabric is wrinkled. It looks to me like the flaps were sewn with the fabric stretched.... or the binding tape shrank later. --Jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #7 January 26, 2005 IIRC (manual is not at hand right now) the freebag bridal is suposed to "christmas tree" and if you let if slip and "stack" it creates a slight lump which promotes the wrinkles.....---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grega 0 #8 January 26, 2005 well i have almost the same setup mirage g4.1 mt with pd126R and 120 main and i don't have any wrinkles at the reserve part of the rig. on that picture i have them between the reserve and the main though. but that's because of a sloppy packjob of a main canopy."George just lucky i guess!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #9 January 26, 2005 I have not packed a lot of Mirages, but the ones I have came out looking like Grega's picture. I concentrated on putting most of the bulk in the bottom (mouth) of the freebag as it states in the manual. Worked well for me.Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybeergodd 0 #10 January 26, 2005 The Mirage is one container that sometimes just have wrinkles in them like yours and there is nothing you can do about it. I have done every combo of bulk at the bottom , bulk at the top , you name it I've tried it and what it comes down to is the outter layer of cordura sewed onto the flaps is sometimes alittle more than needed and the result is the wrinkles. It appears that this is just rig by rig. I have several Mirages G-3 and G-4 that look excellent and wrinkle free when finished and I have others that no matter what I do have the same wrinkles every time. So when it comes to Mirages I wouldn't blame the rigger for the wrinkles. He is probly more frustrated about them than you are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark 107 #11 January 26, 2005 Check Mike Gruwell's Mirage packing tips at http://www.chutingstar.com. In particular, fold the pilot chute fabric so as much as possible is under the bottom flap, minimizing the bulk under the side flaps. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brits17 0 #12 January 26, 2005 Quote What it comes down to is the outter layer of cordura sewed onto the flaps is sometimes a little more than needed and the result is the wrinkles. It appears that this is just rig by rig. I have several Mirages G-3 and G-4 that look excellent and wrinkle free when finished and I have others that no matter what I do have the same wrinkles every time. What he said... I have only had one instance however, where the Mirage container wasn't 'fitted' properly. Most I have come across have been normal. If the riggers place bulk properly (toward bottom) etc, yours may be from the wrinkle batch Tonto _______________________ aerialkinetics.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #13 January 27, 2005 Hi Tonto I've noticed that if you have your Mirage packed so that the reserve container gets wrinkled(and then let it sit for 6 months), it's next to impossible to get rid of the wrinkles on the next repack as they've been set into the fabric. So you may be out of luck. Does anyone know if you can iron cordura?(semi-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #14 January 27, 2005 Quote Hi Tonto I've noticed that if you have your Mirage packed so that the reserve container gets wrinkled(and then let it sit for 6 months), it's next to impossible to get rid of the wrinkles on the next repack as they've been set into the fabric. So you may be out of luck. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ditto for Talons, Vectors, Racers, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
linestretch 0 #15 January 27, 2005 I think the problem is the colors of your rig....my pics & stuff! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakyrat 1 #16 January 27, 2005 Tonto Check Your Dropzone.com email. I sent You Mike Gruwell's PIA Power Point Presentation on the Mirage Packing Tips. Hope this helps you and your rigger. It is a large file 1.2MB. Maybe you can copy it and play it on a computer that has Microsoft Power Point if you don't have it installed on yours. Chris Skydive Houston Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #17 January 28, 2005 Cool. Thank you. I'll take it out to the DZ this weekend. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpwally 0 #18 January 29, 2005 Now, how can you see wrinkles with those colors,,? ggeezzz ;-)smile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ukJump 0 #19 January 29, 2005 After having the mirage mod done. my g4 (that did not have these wrinkles before) is much much worse than tonto's. Is this to do with the packer or the mod?? I am not happy and I am considering getting another reserve repack from another rigger!! Edited to add: The wrinkles are quite severe. Although it doesn't look nice, I guess/hope there are no safety issues (photo to follow!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #20 January 29, 2005 The mod does make it much more difficult to get a good look out of the pack job. Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ukJump 0 #21 January 29, 2005 Okay. Here it is. Considering no wrinkles before (this is the 1st repack). Any comments?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ukJump 0 #22 January 29, 2005 Sorry, can't get pics to work. Will keep trying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #23 January 29, 2005 Quote Check Mike Gruwell's Mirage packing tips at http://www.chutingstar.com. In particular, fold the pilot chute fabric so as much as possible is under the bottom flap, minimizing the bulk under the side flaps. Mark ya, definatly check with mike. he is a master at packing mirage Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ukJump 0 #24 January 30, 2005 Ah, There we go (with a little help from hookitt). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #25 January 30, 2005 It looks like you have not enough pack volume at the bottom and too much at the top! MEL Skyworks Parachute ServiceSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
